Super 18 in 2010 seems to be SANZAR main focus

[Dmx#1]

<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'> couldn't agree more... screw bringing in more teams. stick with the current 14 teams, and expand the finals series. [/b]

Why award mediocrity? Thats just stupid really, then teams who dont desrerve to win might actually take it out.Even the most consistent teams can lose a one off game.
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take the stormers and blues seasons for example, they have a better than average win/loss ratio and it would seem logical to include them in a top 6 to play out the finals. 8 wins from 13 games is hardly mediocre.

in my opinion, if a team is good enough to win the tournament from 5th or 6th place, then they deserve it. in most sports, teams "lift" for finals games.
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Thats because you've singled out ONE season which was probably the closest super season we have ever had. The playoffs arent supposed to be a charity event. Sure it would boost the chances of the Canes making the playoffs but I still disagree. Ask the All Blacks and England whether having a one off game is a good idea. Based on the last World Cup whos more likely to agree with you?

 

[sanzar]

I dunno, I think a 6 team finals series is a good idea. Sure some teams may not always deserve to make the finals, but then you'll have some years like this year and last year where 5th and 6th place really should have been there. And anyway, a 2 week finals series has always felt somewhat anti-climatic to me and I think making it a little more drawn out would be good for the competition.

 

[Dmx#1]

I dunno, I think a 6 team finals series is a good idea. Sure some teams may not always deserve to make the finals, but then you'll have some years like this year and last year where 5th and 6th place really should have been there. And anyway, a 2 week finals series has always felt somewhat anti-climatic to me and I think making it a little more drawn out would be good for the competition. [/b]

True, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion. I would agree if there were two more teams added but then again I hate the idea of adding teams even more.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

<div class='quotemain'> I dunno, I think a 6 team finals series is a good idea. Sure some teams may not always deserve to make the finals, but then you'll have some years like this year and last year where 5th and 6th place really should have been there. And anyway, a 2 week finals series has always felt somewhat anti-climatic to me and I think making it a little more drawn out would be good for the competition. [/b]

True, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion. I would agree if there were two more teams added but then again I hate the idea of adding teams even more.
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that's fair... 6 is a good number, any more would be including mediocre teams and would make it a charity case as you said.

 

[Dmx#1]

<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'> I dunno, I think a 6 team finals series is a good idea. Sure some teams may not always deserve to make the finals, but then you'll have some years like this year and last year where 5th and 6th place really should have been there. And anyway, a 2 week finals series has always felt somewhat anti-climatic to me and I think making it a little more drawn out would be good for the competition. [/b]

True, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion. I would agree if there were two more teams added but then again I hate the idea of adding teams even more.
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that's fair... 6 is a good number, any more would be including mediocre teams and would make it a charity case as you said.
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I meant if they were to actually add two more teams making a super 16

 

[BLR]

Well two teams were added two years ago without any changes to the finals....why is 16 the magic number of teams?

 

[Dmx#1]

Well two teams were added two years ago without any changes to the finals....why is 16 the magic number of teams? [/b]

Who said it was magic? Im just saying if they were to add to more teams (Which I think would be stupid) I think it would be more appropriate to have a 6 teams compete in the playoffs. Im not saying they should or that I agree with the idea I just think it would be more appropriate. God.

 

[BLR]

<div class='quotemain'> Well two teams were added two years ago without any changes to the finals....why is 16 the magic number of teams? [/b]

Who said it was magic? Im just saying if they were to add to more teams (Which I think would be stupid) I think it would be more appropriate to have a 6 teams compete in the playoffs. Im not saying they should or that I agree with the idea I just think it would be more appropriate. God.
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Yeah, but why an extra two teams? What is the reasoning that it will only be appropriate to have a finals series with 16 teams in the competion. 4 years ago there was twelve teams and it was expanded to 14, why was it not appropriate then?

 

[Dmx#1]

<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> Well two teams were added two years ago without any changes to the finals....why is 16 the magic number of teams? [/b]

Who said it was magic? Im just saying if they were to add to more teams (Which I think would be stupid) I think it would be more appropriate to have a 6 teams compete in the playoffs. Im not saying they should or that I agree with the idea I just think it would be more appropriate. God.
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Yeah, but why an extra two teams? What is the reasoning that it will only be appropriate to have a finals series with 16 teams in the competion. 4 years ago there was twelve teams and it was expanded to 14, why was it not appropriate then? [/b][/quote]



Because my imaginary friend told me.



I said it would be more appropriate to have a 6 team playoff If they actually had 16 (Forget the number who cares) teams. In simpler teams if the super 14 was extended the playoffs should be extended. 1. My reason why they shouldnt have a 6 team playoff now in the super 14 is because it gives almost half of the league a chance to make it in. Its anti climatic and seems like a charity case to me. 2. Adding two more teams to the super 14 (to me) would feel crowded. IF they did add two more teams, To make up for this (considering how difficult it would be to make the finals) they should extend it to a six team playoff. I DONT want anymore teams and I dont want to extend the playoffs but if these things would be implemented hopefully what I've said previously should explain what I mean.

 

[BLR]

Much better explanation.

 

[sanzar]

<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> Well two teams were added two years ago without any changes to the finals....why is 16 the magic number of teams? [/b]

Who said it was magic? Im just saying if they were to add to more teams (Which I think would be stupid) I think it would be more appropriate to have a 6 teams compete in the playoffs. Im not saying they should or that I agree with the idea I just think it would be more appropriate. God.
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Yeah, but why an extra two teams? What is the reasoning that it will only be appropriate to have a finals series with 16 teams in the competion. 4 years ago there was twelve teams and it was expanded to 14, why was it not appropriate then? [/b][/quote]


Because my imaginary friend told me.

I said it would be more appropriate to have a 6 team playoff If they actually had 16 (Forget the number who cares) teams. In simpler teams if the super 14 was extended the playoffs should be extended. 1. My reason why they shouldnt have a 6 team playoff now in the super 14 is because it gives almost half of the league a chance to make it in. Its anti climatic and seems like a charity case to me. 2. Adding two more teams to the super 14 (to me) would feel crowded. IF they did add two more teams, To make up for this (considering how difficult it would be to make the finals) they should extend it to a six team playoff. I DONT want anymore teams and I dont want to extend the playoffs but if these things would be implemented hopefully what I've said previously should explain what I mean. [/b][/quote]
I don't really see why 6 teams is such a problem... that still leave 8 teams below the finalists and adds a little bit of spice to the mix if there are a couple of late bolters in the comp. I mean, both the AFL and NRL have 8 team finals series (but then the competitions go for 6 months too).

 

[Dmx#1]

Different strokes for different folks I guess

 

[sanzar]

Interesting timing here, but it seems from next year it will be a 6 team finals series:

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/fi...1049064991.html

 

[BLR]

Interesting timing here, but it seems from next year it will be a 6 team finals series:

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/fi...1049064991.html
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Grumbles Growden isn't the best source....the fact that he NEVER names a source and has shown to be wrong in the past (The Giteau debacle for example) I take that with a pinch of salt...the article itself revamps together a bunch of stories and has a vague opening saying that they are thinking about it, without no actual evidence shown....

 

[sanzar]

Had a flick on google and half the NZ papers are sourcing Gowden on this or making similar claims without sourcing it either. So I'm guessing there's some substance to it.

 

[Steve-o]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need 8 teams to have a quarter final setup? how is 6 teams gonna work, because 3 teams will go through to the next round.

 

[Dmx#1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need 8 teams to have a quarter final setup? how is 6 teams gonna work, because 3 teams will go through to the next round. [/b]

You would just make 3rd and 2nd face off while first place has a nap on the weekend.

 

[Steve-o]

Wouldn't that make it more unfair then?

 

[Dmx#1]

Wouldn't that make it more unfair then? [/b]

I guess so.....

 

[InsaneAsylum]

in a final 6 system, 1st place and 2nd place have a week's rest... they deserve it for finishing in the top 2. 3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th.

the winner of 4 vs 5 goes on to play 1st
the winner of 3 v 6 goes on to play 2nd

the winners of those games meet in the final

something like that... there will still be an incentive to finish in the top 2 as you get the week off, but there's hope for a team finishing 5th or 6th if they work hard and end up winning, they've earned it.

this system would add an extra week to the finals