Squad Size Limits

[Which Tyler]

Chiefs squad breakdown is 51 senior, 29 academy FWIW.

TY.
Bath also don't break their squad down, but I know those ones well enough to hazard a pretty accurate estimate.

Who's the aptly named "Sir-not-appearing-in-this-film"?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

If the government want to get involved making rugby more viable I wonder how much could be saved by giving athletes more tax breaks?

I saw on the Leicester tigers messageboard that with Wiese for example

550k in uk would net him 290k take home money
Compared to Japan where 520k would give him 435k

I guess it would be a hard sell given the overall circumstances, but it would be interesting to see how that could affect the salary cap potential

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't Ireland have something like that?

 

[RedruthRFC]

If the government want to get involved making rugby more viable I wonder how much could be saved by giving athletes more tax breaks?

I can see the headlines about poor starving Premier League footballers getting some much-needed help now. The risk of anything like this being political suicide is far to great for anything to ever happen IMO.

 

[Which Tyler]

I can see the headlines about poor starving Premier League footballers getting some much-needed help now. The risk of anything like this being political suicide is far to great for anything to ever happen IMO.

Relatively easy - put a cap of the tax-free bit.

France and Ireland both have something along these lines, sop it's perfectly doable

 

[stus768]

Don't Ireland have something like that?

This? Looks like you can claim the tax back on part of your salary for 10 of the years you were playing.

About the relief

This page provides information about Sportsperson's Relief

www.revenue.ie

 

[RedruthRFC]

Relatively easy - put a cap of the tax-free bit.

France and Ireland both have something along these lines, sop it's perfectly doable

I'm not sure if you've missed my point, so for clarity, I'm not saying that it's not doable. I'm saying that irrespective of the particulars of how it's executed, in the current political climate the risk of it (rightly or wrongly) attracting negative headlines is sufficient to kibosh the idea.

Even if it's executed in such a way that there's little or no benefit to the super-high earners, do you really think that media favouring the opposition of whoever does it wouldn't have a field day, misrepresenting the facts as much as they can get away with?

 

[Arcturus]

If the government want to get involved making rugby more viable I wonder how much could be saved by giving athletes more tax breaks?

I saw on the Leicester tigers messageboard that with Wiese for example

550k in uk would net him 290k take home money
Compared to Japan where 520k would give him 435k

I guess it would be a hard sell given the overall circumstances, but it would be interesting to see how that could affect the salary cap potential

We ought to be growing the commercial side of the game rather than giving tax breaks to players earning far and above what most spectators will earn.

Would you tolerate paying more tax as compensation to lower the tax burden on players seeking a higher take home pay?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

We ought to be growing the commercial side of the game rather than giving tax breaks to players earning far and above what most spectators will earn.

Would you tolerate paying more tax as compensation to lower the tax burden on players seeking a higher take home pay?

I mean successful sports teams in England help boost local economy a decent amount

Also helps morale and community feeling

Perhaps if the government tax the actual higher earners it wouldn't even need to be me picking up the bill.

I didn't it would happen or should just merely pointing out that tax breaks would make clubs a lot more sustainable and without any job losses.

 

[Jimbo]

I mean successful sports teams in England help boost local economy a decent amount

Also helps morale and community feeling

Perhaps if the government tax the actual higher earners it wouldn't even need to be me picking up the bill.

I didn't it would happen or should just merely pointing out that tax breaks would make clubs a lot more sustainable and without any job losses.

This ultimately they are relatively low paid (by sports standards) so if they get to keep a bit more honestly I don't mind, what ever happens it needs to be more attractive and anything to mate that happens has my vote, it is after all a very short career and in terms of life style I'd imaging is pretty restrictive due to diet etc in many cases.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

We ought to be growing the commercial side of the game rather than giving tax breaks to players earning far and above what most spectators will earn.

Would you tolerate paying more tax as compensation to lower the tax burden on players seeking a higher take home pay?

No. The clubs and players need to cut their cloth to the realities of their financial situation - like any business. I see no argument for taxpayers subsiding what, for the most part, have been mismanaged businesses over an extended period. COVID might have been the straw that broke some camels' backs but it wasn't the root cause.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

If you want to put in a limit for sustainability there is one answer.

Make teams post audited numbers on expected income and make that their cap.

Idk how limiting squad sizes will affect spending. It's not like these players will filter down to another level (the championship has been ignored for too long).