Springbok issues

[Ospervat]

Black includes "Coloured" so that means that the governement want 6 or 7 out of 15 or 9 or 10 out of 22 to be black or coloured. Not unachievable, although I don't agree with the targets. I am of the view that if the springboks players and staff were picked purely on merit then they would be the 2nd best team in the world after the all blacks. I am amazed the IRB stand for it.

Perhaps ito player representation it's achievable but ......

60% of full-time staff will be black South Africans by 2018.
60% of nationally accredited coaches will be black South Africans by 2018.

That will be a problem if you don't have the best qualified personnel in the right positions. Problems will filter out from this compromise.

 

[mdaclarke]

I guess what will happen is that instead of 1 coach they will hire 2!! 1 who can do the job and 1 to fill the quota. Will cost more money but the government will be happy.

 

[Ospervat]

I guess what will happen is that instead of 1 coach they will hire 2!! 1 who can do the job and 1 to fill the quota. Will cost more money but the government will be happy.

The govt will never be happy until they have eradicated every last vestige of westernisation

 

[Ospervat]

A small insight into the coaching challenges in South Africa today.

https://www.alloutrugby.com/sa-coaches-going-nowhere-slowly/

 

[Ospervat]

Okay,

So SARU has finally responded, to what was probably the worst kept secret in SA Rugby.

That AC will remain as Springbok coach:

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/confirmed-coetzee-remains-springbok-coach-20170227

[TEXTAREA]SA Rugby National team coaching and management staffs:

Springboks

Head Coach: Allister Coetzee

Assistant Coaches: Johann van Graan, Matthew Proudfoot, Franco Smith

Team Manager: Ian Schwartz

Conditioning Coach: Warren Adams

Team Doctors: Jerome Mampane and Konrad von Hagen

Physiotherapists: Vivian Verwant and Tanu Pillay

PR Manager: Annelee Murray

Logistics Manager: JJ Fredericks

Media Manager: Rayaan Adriaanse

Defence coach: TBC[/TEXTAREA]

Still no news on a defence coach.
It's been 4 Weeks.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Still no news on a defence coach.
It's been 4 Weeks.

Ventner it is. Worst kept secret in rugby and by all accounts not good for Italy.

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/venter-joins-springbok-coaching-staff/

 

[sharkfan]

He will be back in Italy by November. He is still Italy's defense coach.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Ah, good thanks. I'm finding it all a bit confusing!

 

[Jan1]

It is repprted in Ireland that Rassie is leaving Munster to accept a role with SARU (apparently a director of rugby role). If true it will be a great appointment in my opinion. I am just puzzled by the appointment of Venter as defence consultant seeing that he occupies a similar role for Italy until 2019. If Rasie comes to SA he should bring Nienaber back aswell to be permanent defence coach of Boks. Thoughts?

 

[TRF_heineken]

It is repprted in Ireland that Rassie is leaving Munster to accept a role with SARU (apparently a director of rugby role). If true it will be a great appointment in my opinion. I am just puzzled by the appointment of Venter as defence consultant seeing that he occupies a similar role for Italy until 2019. If Rasie comes to SA he should bring Nienaber back aswell to be permanent defence coach of Boks. Thoughts?

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/rassie-erasmus-could-make-a-dramatic-comeback-8372342

"It's just speculation at this stage. I've got a contract with the IRFU (Irish Rugby Football Union), and nothing's changing."

 

[Ospervat]

Agree the Venter statement / appointment is a bit odd given his Italy 2019 commitments however SA don't play Italy until the AI's - so I guess there's no direct conflict of interest for now however, where will his focus be for the June internationals since Italy and SA both have fixtures on the 17th & 24th.

I'm not a big Venter fan but he has the pedigree. Let's face it he was part of the brains trust behind the "no ruck at the tackle" tactic against England - a stroke of genius or unfair gamesmanship, who knows.

Re Rassie - definitely a scoop if we get him - as long as he sticks to his guns ito his demands re ability to make decisions.
But as his statement makes clear there's nothing confirmed - speculation only - or another worst kept secret.

 

[Ospervat]

Here's hoping something positive comes from this.

http://m.sarugbymag.co.za/?postslug=/blog/details/quotas-to-be-challenged-in-court#

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Here's hoping something positive comes from this.

http://m.sarugbymag.co.za/?postslug=/blog/details/quotas-to-be-challenged-in-court#

The problem with that is the assumption that the SA government cares about rugby. As far as they are concerned it is a white sport and if they are told quotas could land the SA team in trouble that will make them more likely to enforce them, not less. The quotas aren't there to get black people involved in rugby, they are there to destroy rugby.

 

[TRF_heineken]

The problem with that is the assumption that the SA government cares about rugby. As far as they are concerned it is a white sport and if they are told quotas could land the SA team in trouble that will make them more likely to enforce them, not less. The quotas aren't there to get black people involved in rugby, they are there to destroy rugby.

I do think that there is a shift happening though.

The recent nationwide protests all over SA is evident that the people are fed-up with the current ANC contingent and their corrupt group of officials. The other thing is that if Afriforum's application is granted at the courts, then there is a legal precedent that would prevent the quota system from being applied. It could be a huge game changer for the South African Sports Industry, especially rugby.

What is even more interesting for me that there is so far nobody contesting this application. So if nobody contests, it would be an Ex Parte application, and that could just sway the courts even more into granting the application.

 

[mdaclarke]

I don't see how enforceable quotas can be legal due to both IRB and IOC rules. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the matter went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. My guess is that the SARU would argue that instead of being legally enfoceable quotas they are targets, effectively binding in honour only.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Okay, so the rumour mill is starting to turn...

A lot of talk that this weekend's game against Wales will be Allister Coetzee's last game in charge of the Springboks, with reports that SARU boss Mr. Alexander had a very heated conversation with AC after the Irish thrashing.

Reports suggest that Kings Coach Deon Davids is in line to be the next coach. Which I think is a bad idea, as Davids have never coached an international side and has also been struggling to get wins in the Pro14.

The question is who else is in contention? I think it's perfectly clear that SARU will only appoint South African coaches and won't look at guys from other nations like New Zealand.

With Rassie Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber returning to SA, they bring in heaps of experience, and my hope is that we get a coach who could work well with them.
Here's a few contenders:
Jake White (currently coaching in Japan)
Heyneke Meyer (currently assisting youth development in SA)
Franco Smith (assistant Bok Coach)
Jimmy Stonehouse (on his way back to SA to take up a position with his old union the Pumas)
Frans Ludeke (Currently Coaching in Japan)

I can't think of someone else.

With that said, out of all those guys, Franco Smith has IMHO the best chance as he's already part of the setup, so the transition will be quick and easy.

Jake and Heyneke might not be interested or available based on their previous relationship with SARU.

 

[unrated]

Okay, so the rumour mill is starting to turn...

A lot of talk that this weekend's game against Wales will be Allister Coetzee's last game in charge of the Springboks, with reports that SARU boss Mr. Alexander had a very heated conversation with AC after the Irish thrashing.

Reports suggest that Kings Coach Deon Davids is in line to be the next coach. Which I think is a bad idea, as Davids have never coached an international side and has also been struggling to get wins in the Pro14.

The question is who else is in contention? I think it's perfectly clear that SARU will only appoint South African coaches and won't look at guys from other nations like New Zealand.

With Rassie Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber returning to SA, they bring in heaps of experience, and my hope is that we get a coach who could work well with them.
Here's a few contenders:
Jake White (currently coaching in Japan)
Heyneke Meyer (currently assisting youth development in SA)
Franco Smith (assistant Bok Coach)
Jimmy Stonehouse (on his way back to SA to take up a position with his old union the Pumas)
Frans Ludeke (Currently Coaching in Japan)

I can't think of someone else.

With that said, out of all those guys, Franco Smith has IMHO the best chance as he's already part of the setup, so the transition will be quick and easy.

Jake and Heyneke might not be interested or available based on their previous relationship with SARU.

Yea if they want to replace AC with Deon Davids then just keep AC.
Deon has only coached a Super rugby team for a year and now the top 14. And even though im really impressed with what he has done with his little resources so far its way too early to throw him into the national setup. He still has a lot to prove.
If Eddie Jones left SA for England after a week in the job then surely Johan Ackerman can leave gloucester after two odd months. ( i don't think its very likely but you never know).
Earlier in this thread you posted a quote by Rassie Erasmus where he said nothing is going to change and the he ends up with a new Springbok contract so if there is a will then there is a way.

Dream Springbok Coaching lineup
Director of Rugby :Rassie Erasmus
Defence coach: Jacques Nienaber with Omar mouneimne
Attack and Backline coach: Franco Smith (Cheetahs are the best attacking team in the Pro 14)
Head Coach: Johan Ackermann (also forwards coach if a specialist is really needed then bring in a duo such as Os Du Randt and Proudfoot)

 

[unrated]

More reports about the Possible new Springbok coach.
Pieter de Villiers and Mzwandile Stick has now also been linked to replace Alistair Coetzee.
This seems so absurd that its comes across as downright unbelievable. The reports are on News 24.

Is someone spreading fake reports to incite rage in Springbok supporters ? or maybe to make us realize that the alternative options are ****?.
Or are these names linked because SA rugby possibly HAVE to appoint a coach of colour?
I would lose my mind if this even has a hint of the truth. I really hope News 24 is following good Media ethic principles and only accept information from trusted sources. The alternative is that they are fabricating these reports as a means of creating sensationalism and extra viewer numbers because of the absurdity of the post. If they are not fabricating it themselves and it turns out to be false then they failed their job as journalists because they posted information in the public domain without verifying the truth behind the statements.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/peter-de-villiers-set-for-shock-bok-return-20171202


News 24 states that weekend argus first reported on the matter but if they in fact did then they did not post in on their online platforms.
https://www.iol.co.za/weekend-argus/sport

Does someone in Cape town own the print version of the latest Weekend Argus? So that we can see what sources they cite.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Plus, they were lucky to only lose by two points against Wales.

Had Wales continued their momentum from the first-half, it would have been 30-0 before half-time.

Credit to South Africa for coming back into the game, but they have to scrap the identity politics nonsense - that BS has killed the NFL dead, is South African rugby next on the Social Justice Virtue Signalling Uber Liberal Wazzocks hit-list?

If South African rugby really wants to be all black, then they should at least do the Haka before the game!

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Plus, they were lucky to only lose by two points against Wales.

Had Wales continued their momentum from the first-half, it would have been 30-0 before half-time.

Credit to South Africa for coming back into the game, but they have to scrap the identity politics nonsense - that BS has killed the NFL dead, is South African rugby next on the Social Justice Virtue Signalling Uber Liberal Wazzocks hit-list?

If South African rugby really wants to be all black, then they should at least do the Haka before the game!

12 of the starting XV for the Boks today were white.