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Some inter-conference stats

To be fair, the Sharks had to miss Mtawarira, Kankowski, Deysel, Hargreaves, Alberts, Ludik, Viljoen and Lambie for more than just a couple of matches this season. That's 6 Springboks, including our no. 1 goalkicker Lambie ;)

Anyway, just ignore him. He just keeps on blabbing crap until he gets his way. He reminds me of my nephew, but without the ability to be nice.

Yeah, that's good advice ... and good point about the sharks, I guess you got your guy's back at the right time end of the season though

... not that i care about the Blues too much, but all of those guy's would still be out if they'd managed to progress any further ;)
 
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Blues: 20 (10)
Brumbies: 10 (3)
Bulls: 20 (6)
Cheetahs: 5 (5)
Chiefs: 14 (6)
Crusaders: 12 (2)
Force: 18 (6)
Highlanders: 19 (10)
Hurricanes: 11 (4)
Lions: 13 (2)
Rebels: 21 (6)
Reds: 21 (7)
Sharks: 18 (7)
Stormers: 14 (5)
Waratahs: 19 (9)

Number of injuries and in brackets the number of serious injuries (more than 6 weeks)

Yah, we came top of the table in something!
 
really interesting injury stats.

Shows SA are not the worst affected, it's fairly even though the two worst affected teams are NZ teams.

I think the Highlanders injury situation was lessened somewhat by their loose forward depth covering for Hardie, Phil Burleigh coming from the chiefs wider training group to end up being a fantastic super rugby player and the quality of Nokes and Delaney covering for the season ending injuries of Slade and Sopoaga

for that I guess well done to Jamie Joseph then you have to look at the blues and Pat Lam. I think the injury situation the blues have is an excuse for them not to make the playoffs but not enough to explain why they spent most of the season on the bottom of the table and only managed 4 wins.

We've seen it in the past, there were a couple of years the Chiefs were totally gutted with injuries yet they still managed to stay in the middle of the table, the blues situation is no excuse to be in the bottom 4
 
Front row aside, Highlanders should have a very competitive 22.
I rate Joseph very highly, he really is able to get everything he can out of his team.

Lions had some luck with injuries, eh?
 
... I think your the one that may be confused ... Blues long term injuries include Anthony Boric, Jerome Kaino, Isaia Toeava, Brad Mika, Benson Stanley, Gareth Anscombe, Ali Williams and David Raikuna ... that's Six current or former All Blacks plus their first choice goal kicker. Add to that, they were with out Keven Mealamu and Tony Woodcock for quite a few games as well ... tell me which South African side was without six Springboks and their main goal kicker again? :)
Well how's this for you Freestate Cheetahs

Out:
Riaan Viljoen, F Juries, Philip Burger, Corn¨¦ Uys, Wilmaure Louw, Barry Geel, Naas Olivier, Sarel Pretorius, Kabamba Floors, Frans Viljoen, Johan Wessels, Pieter Myburgh, Leon Karemaker, Wilhelm Steenkamp, Hendrik Roodt, Ryno Barnes, Skipper Badenhorst, Kobus Calldo, Juan Smith (injured), Martin Muller (injured), Johan Goosen (injured), Coenie Oosthuizen (injured)

Stormers
Schalk Burger, Duanne Vermeulen, Jacque Fourie, Aplon was injured a few times, Joe Petersen (injured), Conrad Jantjies, Etzebeth, Carr, Koster (all out injured)

Bulls
Out: GurthrÂ0‹2 Steenkamp, Gary Botha, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Daniel Russouw, Fourie Du Preez
Following were injured
Lionel Cronje , Johan Sadie, Flip v.d Merwe

The Lions had 11 guys out injured. That was even before Taute got injured
Here is the list off all the guys they lost through injury
http://injuryupdate.com.au/super-rugby-johannesburg-lions-injury-list.php

Not even adding the Sharks so you guys got it pretty good compared to the Cheetahs and Lions.

As for the relative strengths of the sides, it's not really a huge upset if one of the New Zealand sides knocks over a more favoured one theses days (even the Blues weren't losing to the other sides by much at the start of the season/pre-Injuries
And did the Cheetahs lost by much before they lost Goosen? Should have beaten the Brumbies was robbed by a last minute call from a NZ referee which was a wrong call. Did they moan no. They moved on. They gave the Saders a go at home. They show what they can do from scoring a try from their own 22 with typical Freestate happy go lucky play. Against the Highlanders they lost Goosen and it all went to **** for them. But you will never hear them moan. That is one reason why everyone here in SA love them so much. They will lose half their squad year in year out but the will be back with 19 and 20 year olds throwing the ball around and hitting space attacking with pace. Were they that much more awful than the Canes? No they were just unlucky. So not a excuse. No one told the Blues to go sign a fat Weepu or a tired looking Nonu or to go put in a late tackle on a Bulls player to get suspended. So the Blues had no excuses only themselves to blame. The fact is they were a 4 point bye for NZ teams .

As for the relative strengths of the sides, it's not really a huge upset if one of the New Zealand sides knocks over a more favoured one theses days (even the Blues weren't losing to the other sides by much at the start of the season/pre-Injuries)
haha Bullshit

... South Africa aren't the only ones with the 100 plus years of provincial rivalry either, and the games seem to be harder in the local derbies across all conferences.
Did your hundred years include international isolation where provincial rivalry was at its peak as it was the highest level of competition available to us. Ask a Bulls supporter about it. Heineken should know. We are playing a natural physical game. Those guys want to rip each other apart. Then there is the naked Freestate supporters who were the last line of defence and tackled the rugby players on their way to score a try. You can ask Ezekiel about SA rugby banter.

I guess where the comparison of how hard the conferences are (although I don't necessarily agree), is that you can look at the South African and Australian conferences, and predict pre-season with some confidence, which are going to be the top 3 sides in those conferences, where as it's a lot harder to predict for the New Zealand conference
No its not. It was always going to be the Saders plus another NZ team. No one told you guys to Beef up your teams so equally to make them appear stronger where they are basically enhanced by other players from other regions. The Stormers you see or Sharks is the same guys who will play CC for them. The Franchise system work well especially in 96 when you played your top 60 players against our provinces who did not haVe the luxury. Now its working against you. Only Crusaders and Blue did something in SR the rest did nothing much special.
 
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OMG! You're more delusional than I am!.. I'm just going to ignore you now.
 
^Yo buddy, all the inter conference stats support the argument that NZ is the strongest and hardest to come out of. What part of those stats do you not get?
 
To be fair, the Sharks had to miss Mtawarira, Kankowski, Deysel, Hargreaves, Alberts, Ludik, Viljoen and Lambie for more than just a couple of matches this season. That's 6 Springboks, including our no. 1 goalkicker Lambie ;)

Anyway, just ignore him. He just keeps on blabbing crap until he gets his way. He reminds me of my nephew, but without the ability to be nice.

No need for that. We are all adults.
Blues lock banned for brawl
http://www.keo.co.za/2012/06/15/blues-lock-banned-for-brawl/

Peter and Francis Saili have been banned for two weeks by the Blues for breaching team protocol while ontour in South Africa.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,,3824_7649424,00.html

Ranger banned for 2 weeks. Lets not forget the Pat Lam incident. Blues been playing badly has nothing to do with injuries but in house problems ranging from racism to poor discipline.
 
^Yo buddy, all the inter conference stats support the argument that NZ is the strongest and hardest to come out of. What part of those stats do you not get?
It is stats not facts. Stats show NZ cheat in the Tri Nations as well. Thats stats you can turn it into whatever you like. It has 4 outcomes. If they were stronger they would have had more points. They do not.
If NZ were the so called strongest why are they not Super Rugby champions?
 
It is stats not facts. Stats show NZ cheat in the Tri Nations as well. Thats stats you can turn it into whatever you like. It has 4 outcomes. If they were stronger they would have had more points. They do not.
If NZ were the so called strongest why are they not Super Rugby champions?

Brilliant point. The Australian conference is clearly the strongest, as it contains the current Super Rugby Champions. Impeccable logic that :lol:
 
Just read back over the thread - my favourite bit was
Rene Ranger... Calf Injury.... Estimated Return.... Finals

Finals!! O how I lol'ed.
 
Brilliant point. The Australian conference is clearly the strongest, as it contains the current Super Rugby Champions. Impeccable logic that :lol:

Rebels v Blues 34-23
Rebels v Crusaders 28-19
Hurricanes v Brumbies 25-37


Here is that close NZ derby scores you talk so much about
Hurricanes v Crusaders 14-42
Chiefs v Hurricanes 33-14
Hurricanes v Blues 35-19
Crusaders v Blues 59-19
Crusaders v Highlanders 51-18

Funniest thing is when the Hurricanes had a chance to qualify and pip out the Sharks or Bulls they beat thbeatene 2 NZ teams that had already qualified. Yet they got beaten by the "weak" Cheetahs at home.

Just to show how stats can tell a different story.
Crusaders away games vs South African teams
Beat the "weak" Lions away. Lost to the Bulls away
Beat the Stormers and Cheetahs at home

Hurricanes
Lions away win
Stormers away lost
Cheetahs at home lost
Sharks at home win

Highlanders
Cheetahs away win
Sharks away lost
Stormers at home lost
Bulls at home win

Chiefs away Cheetahs win
Chiefs away Sharks win
Chiefs at home Bulls and Lions win

Blues
Bulls away win
Stormers away lost
Sharks at home lost
Lions at home win

Those stats are mostly dependent on the Chiefs and Crusaders who faced a strong SA team at home.

Hurricanes away games the Lions
Highlanders the Cheetahs faced the Stormers and Bulls at home

What did the Highlanders get out of it. Beat a weaker away had the luxury to face two strong teams at home.

The stats try and boost all four NZ teams pedigree by using figures of one or two
 
The stats try and boost all four NZ teams pedigree by using figures of one or two

You can try and bring up individual games all you like, but please explain these figures to me: (which were the original ones posted)

NZ wins against other conferences
SA 13
Aus 10
23


SA wins against other conferences
NZ 7
Aus 13
20


AUS wins against other conferences
NZ 6
SA 5
11


So if NZ isn not the strongest conference, how do NZ teams have the most wins against the other conferences? I'm sure you'll bring up some weird thing about SA derbies or the Blues ill-discipline, but the fact is you can't really argue with those numbers.

The figures Larksea posted also shows NZ's bottom two teams were the strongest suggesting it isn't the top two NZ teams skewing it for the rest of them: (comp points/wins)

SA: 63/8
AUS: 59/7
NZ: 82/13

Now study those numbers, then try and form a coherent argument against them.
 
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Well how's this for you Freestate Cheetahs

Out:
Riaan Viljoen, F Juries, Philip Burger, Corn¨¦ Uys, Wilmaure Louw, Barry Geel, Naas Olivier, Sarel Pretorius, Kabamba Floors, Frans Viljoen, Johan Wessels, Pieter Myburgh, Leon Karemaker, Wilhelm Steenkamp, Hendrik Roodt, Ryno Barnes, Skipper Badenhorst, Kobus Calldo, Juan Smith (injured), Martin Muller (injured), Johan Goosen (injured), Coenie Oosthuizen (injured)

Stormers
Schalk Burger, Duanne Vermeulen, Jacque Fourie, Aplon was injured a few times, Joe Petersen (injured), Conrad Jantjies, Etzebeth, Carr, Koster (all out injured)

Bulls
Out: GurthrÂ0‹2 Steenkamp, Gary Botha, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Daniel Russouw, Fourie Du Preez
Following were injured
Lionel Cronje , Johan Sadie, Flip v.d Merwe

The Lions had 11 guys out injured. That was even before Taute got injured
Here is the list off all the guys they lost through injury
http://injuryupdate.com.au/super-rugby-johannesburg-lions-injury-list.php

Not even adding the Sharks so you guys got it pretty good compared to the Cheetahs and Lions.


And did the Cheetahs lost by much before they lost Goosen? Should have beaten the Brumbies was robbed by a last minute call from a NZ referee which was a wrong call. Did they moan no. They moved on. They gave the Saders a go at home. They show what they can do from scoring a try from their own 22 with typical Freestate happy go lucky play. Against the Highlanders they lost Goosen and it all went to **** for them. But you will never hear them moan. That is one reason why everyone here in SA love them so much. They will lose half their squad year in year out but the will be back with 19 and 20 year olds throwing the ball around and hitting space attacking with pace. Were they that much more awful than the Canes? No they were just unlucky. So not a excuse. No one told the Blues to go sign a fat Weepu or a tired looking Nonu or to go put in a late tackle on a Bulls player to get suspended. So the Blues had no excuses only themselves to blame. The fact is they were a 4 point bye for NZ teams .


haha Bullshit


Did your hundred years include international isolation where provincial rivalry was at its peak as it was the highest level of competition available to us. Ask a Bulls supporter about it. Heineken should know. We are playing a natural physical game. Those guys want to rip each other apart. Then there is the naked Freestate supporters who were the last line of defence and tackled the rugby players on their way to score a try. You can ask Ezekiel about SA rugby banter.


No its not. It was always going to be the Saders plus another NZ team. No one told you guys to Beef up your teams so equally to make them appear stronger where they are basically enhanced by other players from other regions. The Stormers you see or Sharks is the same guys who will play CC for them. The Franchise system work well especially in 96 when you played your top 60 players against our provinces who did not haVe the luxury. Now its working against you. Only Crusaders and Blue did something in SR the rest did nothing much special.

Please read this and respond to it:

Just to get a good picture...


Blues: 20 (10)
Brumbies: 10 (3)
Bulls: 20 (6)
Cheetahs: 5 (5)
Chiefs: 14 (6)
Crusaders: 12 (2)
Force: 18 (6)
Highlanders: 19 (10)
Hurricanes: 11 (4)
Lions: 13 (2)
Rebels: 21 (6)
Reds: 21 (7)
Sharks: 18 (7)
Stormers: 14 (5)
Waratahs: 19 (9)

Number of injuries and in brackets the number of serious injuries (more than 6 weeks)

As long as you refuse to respond to these stats properly, I have 3 letters for you. An S, a T, an F and a U
 

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