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I made a post similar to this in the thread about Ireland's autumn international squad. The player welfare system is ineffective in the sense that there are few enough tangible benefits in terms of lower injury rates in comparison with our direct rivals (ie. the other home nations, in particular Wales as they have a similar number of clubs, players, etc. while not having a player protection scheme.) Going into the Autumn internationals Ireland could be without the following high profile internationals:

- Brian O'Driscoll
- Paul O'Connell
- Stephen Ferris
- Sean O'Brien
- Rory Best
- Cian Healy
- Rob Kearney
- Luke Fitzgerald
- Declan Fitzpatrick

Unfortunately Ronan O'Gara has reported fit and available.

What is striking is that these are the players who one would imagine that the player welfare scheme is designed to protect, ie. our most important internationals. Clearly if we're going into test series with this number of injuries to key players then the system is either ineffective or counter productive.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for looking after our players. They're our greatest asset and no matter how talented a coach or professional a set up, you're not going to get anywhere if you can't regularly put out your best side. I just don't think that this is the correct way to go about it. Another example of the ineffectiveness of the player welfare scheme has been the lack of injuries that our high profile imports have sustained over the past number of seasons. Last year Isa Nacewa played 27 games for Leinster. Heinke Van Der Merwe played in 31 and Richard Strauss in 29. In the other provinces Wian du Preez played 28, BJ Botha 23, Ruan Pienaar 19 (with international duty), John Afoa 17 and Johann Muller 18. While there have been injuries to some of these guys, Dougie Howlett and Jared Payne last season for example, they seem to be no more common than within the player welfare scheme panel. Indeed, most of these guys were still playing excellent rugby at the end of the season despite all the games, contrary to the popular belief that more games means progressively poorer performances.

In my opinion having a fragmented yet protracted season does little for helping players avoid injury. If you're training for 9 months at high intensity you're still likely to pick up knocks even if you do only play one of every two games. I don't believe that allowing our marquee players to play more league games will have a negative effect on the number of injuries, and may even result in players being sharper and in better shape for the internationals. What's better for building form, a string of first team performances going into a major tournament or arseing about playing a game every three weeks or so? There's a reason we have three warm up's before the world cup you know.

That brings me neatly onto my final point. In my opinion the real cause of the large amounts of injuries we're getting at the moment is the length, not the number of games, of the season. Last year being a World Cup year saw the season begin in August. For Leinster and Ulster players the domestic season then ran on until the end of May. After that they had to play three matches against the most talented and intense side in the world, meaning that after 9 months they have to go and player their toughest games of the year when they should be recuperating. An essentially pointless three week period tagged onto an already overly lengthy season. If the IRFU truly cared about player welfare they would reduce the length of the season. If that means ditching a tour once every two years or whatever then so be it. Sean O'Brien had to go down to New Zealand to play two tests against the All Blacks when he already required surgery. Does that sound like the IRFU looking out for player welfare. Of course not. The current system in nonsensical and riddled with hypocrisy.


In recent years we've seen the likes of Jerry Flannery, Denis Leamy and David Wallace all retire primarily due to injury (although in fairness to Wally the clock was ticking.) Stephen Ferris is almost certain to go the same way, while Paul O'Connell and Luke Fitzgerald have both hardly played over the past two seasons. All of these players were supposedly protected under the player welfare scheme, yet here we are. The system doesn't work and probably does more harm than good. If the IRFU really want to enhance player welfare they'll reduce their international calendar.


Discuss.
 
I'm not sure. In the past it seems to have worked quite well. From the list you provided above, BO'D and PO'C are well into their 30's, and unfortunately will pick up more and more injuries. Also, Ferris, Kearney and Fitzgerald are simply injury prone players (this just seems to be the case with certain players).

You're argument about the lack of injuries to the foreign players playing in the provinces doesn't quite hold up, because I think it's the extra physicality of the international games that really takes its toll. Using Wales as an example, I highly doubt that the players could retain the same fitness and physical conditions they gain after their trips to Poland throughout the year for their regions (this could actually partially explain their poor form for the regions, but that's another debate), but the Irish players have to reach a similar level to compete. The physicality of international games at the moment is insane. I'm amazed the likes of Roberts isn't injured every other match.

I agree that maybe the system in Ireland needs tweaking slightly, because the fragmented nature of these players seasons must be difficult to deal with, but that isn't helped by the hugely fragmented season we already have in the NH. I do completely agree with your final point though. I think that the home nations need to consider touring 2nd tier countries twice every four years with mostly second string squads, once in the summer following a WC and in Lions years. The Welsh players were also flogged to death last season, and with the Lions tour coming up, this season is going to be even worse if anything.
 
Limiting the number of games top players play doesn't bother me. However, I'd tweak the system so that it's up the the provincial coaches and medical teams, who work with the players every week, to decide who gets rested and when. A situation like today's game between the Ospreys and Leinster with two shadow teams duking it out does nobody any favours.

Michael Bent can't play today because Declan Kidney has decreed that he might need him to bench against South Africa. That's ridiculous in my opinion.
 
The OP made some very good points. The length of the season last season is the reason for all the injuries. The season lasted almost a whole year which was crazy. Australia and South Africa are two other teams who have a host of players missing this season. The extended super rugby season and world cup took their toll and Australia didn't help themselves by playing Wales last autumn.

What would be your solution? I think the internationals need longer summer holidays and summer tours should only be for development squads.
 
O'Leary says he feels fitter and more much match-sharp now. How will he feel playing week-in week-out come Six Nation time and the end of the season? How much worse if that was combined with playing 8 or so internationals, not including the summer ones and the reduced pre-season?

I suspect the answer would be less rosy and therein lies the Player Welfare Scheme's usefulness.

As for injuries - a lot of those players are made out of chocolate. A fair counter-point might be to look at Heaslip's injury record or crucially, look at Ireland's injury record compared to other nations over a large time period.
 
As for injuries - a lot of those players are made out of chocolate. A fair counter-point might be to look at Heaslip's injury record or crucially, look at Ireland's injury record compared to other nations over a large time period.

Heaslip never gets injured but he nickname is Jamie Houdini - because he goes missing in matches. There might be a link there..
 
Heaslip never gets injured but he nickname is Jamie Houdini - because he goes missing in matches. There might be a link there..


Lions starter, undefeated 18 games as captain of Leinster, clearly he's not up to it.
 
Heaslip never gets injured but he nickname is Jamie Houdini - because he goes missing in matches. There might be a link there..

Total bullshit.

Ye don't win 3 heine cups by hiding.


Congratulations - you've just made a total chube of yerself.
 
Munster people generally dislike Jamie. For whatever reason they seem to associate him with everything that used to be wrong with Leinster rugby back in the days before we manned up. This despite all his accomplishments. I think it's because he carried the ball under one arm and had a wee celebration before he touched down in the Scotland game back in 09'. The miserable gits will never let that one go.


Oh, and with regard to Heaslip hiding, we wouldn't have scored either of Johnny's tries against Northampton had he not being doing a bit of off the ball shenanigans and he grabbed the try against Leicester in 09. Hardly hiding on the big occasion.
 
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Heaslip never gets injured but he nickname is Jamie Houdini - because he goes missing in matches. There might be a link there..

I'm sorry, but that is the stupidest thing you've said in all 615 posts.
 
Well people talk about Heaslip as being one of the best 8s in the world so either he doesn't try much or he is very overrated. You decide.
 
Well people talk about Heaslip as being one of the best 8s in the world so either he doesn't try much or he is very overrated. You decide.

Or you don't watch the game or don't understand what he does.
 
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