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Got to say i'm quite optimistic after that performance on saturday, I know it was an under strength Leinster side but beating any Leinster side with 7 tries is a great achievement. The pack have still got some work to do but there's no reason why Scarlets fans should expect anything less than 4th this season (I'm sick of 5th place!). Just hope they can back this performance up with a win in Glasgow on friday.
 
It's going to be interesting to see how the Scarlets do against the other Welsh regions. If they can come off well in the games against each of them then I see no reason why they can't enter the playoffs. I think they have a better team than both Ospreys and Cardiff in terms of core players that fit together.
 
Well I was hugely impressed. I thought their pack went extremely well on the weekend, their ball retention was great. Looking at the squad there's a decent amount of depth there, let's just hope they're luck is a little better than the previous few seasons in terms of injury.

This is how I see the Scarlets squad, first choice first, second second etc.

01 Rhodri Jones, Phil John, Rob Evans, Peter Edwards.
02 Ken Owens, Matthew Rees (although his throwing heeds to improve), Kirby Myhill, Emyr Phillips.
03 Deacon Manu, Samson Lee, Jacobus Adriaanse.
04 George Earle, Sione Timani, Tomas Vallejos Cinalli (could move up the pecking order).
05 Richard Kelly, Aaron Shingler, Tomas Vallejos Cinalli (again could become first choice).
06 Aaron Shingler, Josh Turnbull, Rob McCusker.
07 Josh Turnbull, Daniel Thomas (think he'll overtake Turnbull at 7 soon), Rob McCusker.
08 Rob McCusker, Kieran Murphy, ??
09 Tavis Knoyle (if he can keep that kinda performances up), Gareth Davies, Rhodri Williams, Aled Davies ( Draggs is adamant Aled Davies is the future, I think I've got the right player).
10 Rhys Priestland, Aled Thomas, Dan Newton (probably missing someone).
11 Morgan Stoddart, Andy Fenby, Lee Williams.
12 Scott Williams, Gareth Owen, Nic Reynolds.
13 Jon Davies, Gareth Maul, Adam Warren.
14 George North, Kristian Phillips, Dale Ford.
14 Liam Williams, Morgan Stoddart, Rhys Priestland.

Probably plenty I'm missing. I've not seen much of the likes of Owen Williams and Jordan Williams at 10 to rate them, while I'm sure there's more wingers etc. in the region who could step-up.

At looshead I'm expecting big things from Rob Evans, so hopefully he and Rhodri Jones will battle it out for the top spot. Two very young, very promising players, nice. Samson Lee is another exciting prospect on the tight, whilst Adriaanse is supposed to be a rock in the scrum, just what the Scarlets have needed. The Scarlets have unbelievable strength at hooker. Matthew Rees really does have to improve to stay in contention, Myhill could overtake him when given the chance, after all Myhill is probably the most exciting of the lot (although Ken Owens is still something a little special I feel). The Scarlets could maybe do with one more second row to cover all eventualities, hopefully there's someone at one of their feeder clubs ready to step-up if required. Regardless, I feel they've made some good signing here, Earle looked very impressive against Leinster, and Kelly was solid if unspectacular. I've heard good things about Cinalli, so he may figure heavily as well. The backrow is shaping up very nicely indeed. The balance was good v Leinster with Shingler, Turnbull and McCusker. I think McCusker will continue as first choice 8 where he was so impressive, and Shingler really adds something special at 6. I'm not totally convinced with Turnbull at 7, I feel he's better suited to blindside. I really hope we see plenty of Daniel Thomas, because he's a genuine openside, with genuine potential. The backrow could be a little lightweight with Shingler, Thomas and McCusker though, so getting the balance correct may be difficult.

There's plenty of talent at scrum half, but no-one has really shown consistency yet. If Knoyle can repeat Saturday's form, then he's a great player to have, really strong, but excellent service. But he struggled with form last season so we'll have to wait and see. Rhodri Williams and Gareth Davies are both very capable, very traditional scrum halves. I'm sure Draggs has been banging on about Aled Davies (was it you Draggs, and have I got the correct player?). Will be interesting to see how this battle develops over the season. I thought Aled Thomas had a great game v Leinster. Hopefully this pushes Priestland to rediscover his 2011 form, because I still feel that Priestland is the Scarlets and possibly Wales' best option, but he needs to up his game considerably. Scott Williams and Jon Davies should continue to form a formidable partnership in the center. Both are big and strong, but exciting players that really compliment the way the Scarlets try to play the game. Both need to be less selfish though, because both have the tendency to go for the line themselves when there's a player in a better position outside of them. This was evident on Sat when Williams should have passed out to North after making a great sidestep, luckily the try came anyway after a floated pass from Knoyle, but the try should have come one phase earlier. I may be a bit biased re Gareth Owen, but he's been a favorite of mine for a long time. His flamboyance should fit in well at the Scarlets, and if he's allowed a run of games (something the Ospreys never gave him), then we could see him at his best. I still think back to how sublime he was at the 2007 U18 WC and 2008 JWC. We can't forget the likes of Maul, Warren and Reynolds either. Out wide the Scarlets have genuine pace and power. Little needs to be said about North, but Fenby is rapidly improving as a player. I still feel he loses the ball a little too often, but he also creates and scores some great tries. Juries out on him, but Stoddart is close to a return by all accounts which is great news. At fullback Liam Williams is really developing as a player. He's a great all round fullback that should be really pushing for a Wales place this season. He's also a bit of a nutter, who puts his body on the line time and time again (reminds me a little of JPR).

Time will tell whether the Scarlets will continue with a similar form to how they started, and whether they'll genuinely compete in the HC.
 
That tight five will be the achilles heel.
Although i doubt that they will be really pushing in the HC and most of the Pro 12 packs are weak, so they could have a real go at the Pro12 this year with that back line.
 
Was actually very impressed with the Scarlets 2nd rows in the Leinster game, if they can continue to put in those performances and this Argentinian fella does the same, they wont be lacking for grunt in the loose when combined with the likes of Shingler in the back row and Jones in the front. Main worry, as always, is the weakness of the front row at scrum time, still no out and out solid scrummager for the Scarlets on either side if you ask me (really do not rate Manu), but that said neither do a lot of the other Pro12 sides. I mean the Blues are even more screwed now without Gethin Jenkins, the Ospreys are hugely weakened at loose head without Paul James and the Dragons are still bringing through the youngsters
 
That tight five will be the achilles heel.
Although i doubt that they will be really pushing in the HC and most of the Pro 12 packs are weak, so they could have a real go at the Pro12 this year with that back line.

Depends how the youngsters and new signings go really. Rhodri Jones, Rob Evans and Samson Lee have real potential, but this season might be too early for them, especially against some of the stronger packs in the HC. I'm hoping that Adriaanse is as strong a scrummager as was suggested in the transfer thread, because that would be extremely useful against the stronger scrummaging teams. We've got to wait and see about the second row. Most are new arrivals, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

As long as they aren't hit hard with injuries once again, I think they can push hard in the HC. Very few teams will want to come up against a Scarlets team playing well, because they're probably the most dangerous team in Europe.
 
Depends how the youngsters and new signings go really. Rhodri Jones, Rob Evans and Samson Lee have real potential, but this season might be too early for them, especially against some of the stronger packs in the HC. I'm hoping that Adriaanse is as strong a scrummager as was suggested in the transfer thread, because that would be extremely useful against the stronger scrummaging teams. We've got to wait and see about the second row. Most are new arrivals, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

As long as they aren't hit hard with injuries once again, I think they can push hard in the HC. Very few teams will want to come up against a Scarlets team playing well, because they're probably the most dangerous team in Europe.

Oh, missed that they'd signed Adriaanse, at a guess, he's a South African prop? Jones could be a cracking player, be useful if they'd pick which side he's gonna play on and stick with it. Out of all the regions, seems that the Scarlets have done pretty damn alright with replacing the players lost. Still, quietly optimistic is the best way to stay! Would love to see them give the HC a good crack!
 
Oh, missed that they'd signed Adriaanse, at a guess, he's a South African prop?

Yup. Although looking back at the transfer rumour mill thread it looks like I've gotten a little muddled up. I thought I remembered Stormer2010 talking about Adriaanse, saying he was a strong scrummager who never takes a backwards step, but he was in fact talking about another SA tighthead->Turk rumour, Patric Cillers. So I'm not too sure what kind of player Adriaanse is. Plenty of online reports covering his move describe him as a strong technical scrummager, and after all, SA props are rarely poor scrummagers.

Jones could be a cracking player, be useful if they'd pick which side he's gonna play on and stick with it.

I think the Scarlets will be picking him on the looshead side 90% of the time. With the re-singing of Manu, the emergence of Samson Lee and the signing of Adriaanse, the Scarlets should be ok on the tight. All of a sudden, Rhodri Jones is probably the Scarlets first choice looshead, so that's where he'll be played imo.

I know Wales really wanted him developed as a tighthead, but they might not be as despirate if Samson Lee develops as many hope. I'm not really sure if Rhodri would make it anyway as an international tighthead without putting on another 2 stone in order to improve him scrummaging, but then he'd lose his mobility in open field that makes him such an exciting prospect.
 
Rhodri can hardly scrummaged at loosehead at the moment, i don't know why Gats wants to convert him to tighthead! He doesn't have the body shape for it either.
 
Rhodri can hardly scrummaged at loosehead at the moment, i don't know why Gats wants to convert him to tighthead! He doesn't have the body shape for it either.

I don't think Rhodri is a bad scrummager. He's quite tall for a prop, but manages to get nice and low. He's not the finished article by any means, but for a young prop he's about as good as can be expected. He'll improve with experience.
 
Little needs to be said about North, but Fenby is rapidly improving as a player. I still feel he loses the ball a little too often, but he also creates and scores some great tries. Juries out on him, but Stoddart is close to a return by all accounts which is great news.

Got to say Maule and Fenby were two players I always thought of a OK replacements but nothing more, but in the later stages of last season and the opening game this season they've really impressed me. Fenby's picking up a lot of tries so i wouldn't take him out for Stoddart yet. But the good thing is its almost a certainty that North, JD & Scott Williams will be unavailable for parts of the season so its great to have these backups that aren't likely to get an international call up.

It would be nice to see the Scarlets challenge in the HC because teams really don't like playing us when were throwing the ball around with confidence, but getting into the pro12 play offs is the priority.
 

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