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TedParker

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It is a well documented fact that rugby in the north is currently on a bit of a downer. Interest in the sport is in decline as other sports like Rugby League and more notably Football take centre stage in this part of the country. Do you think that with the 2015 RWC in mind northern clubs (Newcastle and Sale) should be hosting major internationals.
If come the world cup we are in the same situation as is current then we cannot hope to replicate the national success that New Zealand had last year in hosting the tournament. England have huge potential to host the best world cup ever. If so action must be taken now. What are you thoughts?
 
The trouble you have is the big football grounds will end up hosting games like Old Trafford and St James Park (dont even know th silly name it got now) etc. because of the large capacity and chance top sell more tickets and make mroe money.
 
I think that would be alright as long as the stadiums are being filled with rugby fans and people in the north are becoming involved with rugby.
 
It is a well documented fact that rugby in the north is currently on a bit of a downer. Interest in the sport is in decline as other sports like Rugby League and more notably Football take centre stage in this part of the country. Do you think that with the 2015 RWC in mind northern clubs (Newcastle and Sale) should be hosting major internationals.
If come the world cup we are in the same situation as is current then we cannot hope to replicate the national success that New Zealand had last year in hosting the tournament. England have huge potential to host the best world cup ever. If so action must be taken now. What are you thoughts?
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Without question. England needs to act and have tests in the North to get the people ready for 2015. It needs an Aviva Premiership Semi Final in the North every year until 2015.

New Zealand has been talked of as doing very well. The cheap games I went to were well attended. The expensive ones weren´t. Argentina vs Scotland in Wellington was poorly attended. The same venue had lots of empty seats for Ireland vs Wales. England can use this well when preparing the schedule. There is no sense in having Australia vs Italy at Newcastle but there is in having Australia vs Romania.
 
It is a well documented fact that rugby in the north is currently on a bit of a downer. Interest in the sport is in decline as other sports like Rugby League and more notably Football take centre stage in this part of the country. Do you think that with the 2015 RWC in mind northern clubs (Newcastle and Sale) should be hosting major internationals.

I would of thought that they would of tried to get more of the world cup games up north to be honest out of the proposed stadiums only two actual club rugby grounds have been picked, the first to be accepted is not even in England with that being the Millenium Stadium, after that the only grounds up north that have been proposed are Old Trafford, St James Park, Anfield and Elland Road now all these grounds are big in size and dont need any work but they are also football grounds, the other proposed ground in midlands area are the Ricoh Arena where Coventry City play and Welfare Road of the Leicester Tigers the others are down south with Twickers, Wembley, Emirates, St Mary's and Kingsholm Stadium the other rugby ground to be used.

With hte worl cup coming it would of been a chance to improve in the rugby grounds in the north and get them to host some games build up the game there, holding one or two international games there will help but only if they are held at rugby grounds and not football grounds.
 
The interest in rugby drops along way once you hit the M62. Apart from Manchester which is more cosmopolitan most of the other cities are either rugby league or football.

I see little point in spending money on developing clubs and losing revenue when you have the stadiums available even if they are for football. You also need to factor in the traveling support, airports, hotels etc. If you have dragged your ass across the world I think you would be pretty gutted to then be stuck in Middlesborough or Sunderland to watch you team play.
 
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Without question. England needs to act and have tests in the North to get the people ready for 2015. It needs an Aviva Premiership Semi Final in the North every year until 2015.

New Zealand has been talked of as doing very well. The cheap games I went to were well attended. The expensive ones weren´t. Argentina vs Scotland in Wellington was poorly attended. The same venue had lots of empty seats for Ireland vs Wales. England can use this well when preparing the schedule. There is no sense in having Australia vs Italy at Newcastle but there is in having Australia vs Romania.

How much more expensive was Argentina vs Scotland? I think that game was poorly attended because it was originally to be played in Christchurch. People who had already bought tickets to the other games may not have bought the tickets to that game as well.
 
A bit of common sence would really help with this to be honest, obviously depending on the draw of the pools the powers that be should try to get the 6N nations playing their games as close as possible to encourage bigger crowds.
Eg.
Scotland playing at St James park,
Wales @ the Millenium,
Ireland @ Anfield or Old Trafford,
France @ The Emirates/ Wembley
Italy@ suggestions?????

Being from Birmingham i'll go to a game at the ricoh whoever plays as it's the WC. But a England Game vs a tier 2 team at Old trafford would be a nice touch by the RFU and really help the Game in the North no doubt.

On Another note quite why the RFU have gone with St mary's in Southampton i'll never know as there's no team in the prem or the championship based around there i'd assume the locals have no love for the sport and this venue will just be where the lesser supported games held the tonga v fiji for example. Can't help but think Sandy Park would be a better venue as the game has good support in Cornwall.
 
A bit of common sence would really help with this to be honest, obviously depending on the draw of the pools the powers that be should try to get the 6N nations playing their games as close as possible to encourage bigger crowds.
Eg.
Scotland playing at St James park,
Wales @ the Millenium,
Ireland @ Anfield or Old Trafford,
France @ The Emirates/ Wembley
Italy@ suggestions?????

Being from Birmingham i'll go to a game at the ricoh whoever plays as it's the WC. But a England Game vs a tier 2 team at Old trafford would be a nice touch by the RFU and really help the Game in the North no doubt.

On Another note quite why the RFU have gone with St mary's in Southampton i'll never know as there's no team in the prem or the championship based around there i'd assume the locals have no love for the sport and this venue will just be where the lesser supported games held the tonga v fiji for example. Can't help but think Sandy Park would be a better venue as the game has good support in Cornwall.

Actually there is good rugby following in Southampton, obviously not as much as the Football down there but enough to merit a game. Nearest Premiership side would be either Sarries, Reading or at a push Bristol and Bath. I'd certainly look to travel there. Oh, add Sandy Park is Exeter - Devon. If you know that area well you wont get a lot of Cornish going to Devon or vice versa
 
How much more expensive was Argentina vs Scotland? I think that game was poorly attended because it was originally to be played in Christchurch. People who had already bought tickets to the other games may not have bought the tickets to that game as well.

True - I paid NZ$148. It was not cheap. I paid NZ$25 to see Italy vs USA. However, suggesting it was underattended due to the change of venue is not the answer. The match was moved close to 6 months before it happened! I was surrounded by Argentine and Scot´s - not people dressing up as them but actually people from these countries. The prices did drive people away and the same venue had too many other matches. I got to Wellington early afternoon - checked in to my accomodation then went out quickly to catch Fiji vs Samoa at a bar. I continued going from bar to bar (being careful not to drink too much) until it came time to go to the stadium. The bars were not packed with Kiwi´s. Scot´s and Argies were there in the 1000´s though.

I paid over NZ$100 for Italy vs Ireland. I got worse seats - end on. But, it was full. Actually, a bigger crowd despite the venue being smaller than Wellington! Talking about it with friends we concluded that Wellington failed to get behind the tournament as much as other centres. The two Quarter Finals were not sold out.

Argentina vs Scotland was the most thrilling match I have been to in my life. After Parks landed a drop goal I was sure that was it but... then came the try of the World Cup. It was tragic that local fans didn´t get behind the match. Spoiled for choice is certainly how I see it and the lesson is do not give too many matches to one venue.

A bit of common sence would really help with this to be honest, obviously depending on the draw of the pools the powers that be should try to get the 6N nations playing their games as close as possible to encourage bigger crowds.
Eg.
Scotland playing at St James park,
Wales @ the Millenium,
Ireland @ Anfield or Old Trafford,
France @ The Emirates/ Wembley
Italy@ suggestions?????

Being from Birmingham i'll go to a game at the ricoh whoever plays as it's the WC. But a England Game vs a tier 2 team at Old trafford would be a nice touch by the RFU and really help the Game in the North no doubt.

On Another note quite why the RFU have gone with St mary's in Southampton i'll never know as there's no team in the prem or the championship based around there i'd assume the locals have no love for the sport and this venue will just be where the lesser supported games held the tonga v fiji for example. Can't help but think Sandy Park would be a better venue as the game has good support in Cornwall.

Wales cannot play at home, should not be allowed to and probably won´t. At best it will be two matches and one wil be vs the pool´s weakest side.

Basing teams in cities is a fundamnetal flaw that has failed to deliver at previous World Cup´s. Teams, at the most, can play twice at the same venue but never for two consecutive matches unless it is an isolated venue far from others. An example being Perth for WRC 2003. England has no such concerns and therefore, thankfully, matches can be spread well.

Scotland should play a match at St. James Park. But just one, not more. If Scotland were drawn with a SANZAR side and a 6N side I would like Scotland vs Sanzar at St. James Park and Scotland vs 6N at Manchester.

Italy would be good to have its crunch game in London face a SANZAR side in Manchester or Liverpool and play its two other matches at the medium sized venues. i.e Italy vs Canada at Southampton and Italy vs Romania at Coventry.

The Italian matches are what all 6N teams should have. The model should be this. The matches involving the automoatic qulaifyers should all be played at London (Wembley, Emirates and Twickers), Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds, Cardiff (I hope not)
 
The interest in rugby drops along way once you hit the M62. Apart from Manchester which is more cosmopolitan most of the other cities are either rugby league or football.

I see little point in spending money on developing clubs and losing revenue when you have the stadiums available even if they are for football. You also need to factor in the traveling support, airports, hotels etc. If you have dragged your ass across the world I think you would be pretty gutted to then be stuck in Middlesborough or Sunderland to watch you team play.

I don't think travelling supporters would want to be confined to London or the South East during the tournament. The world cup should be held on a national scale and we can't just rely on the capital to create a sporting spectacle. The whole point of encouraging rugby in the north in the build up to the world cup would be to bring a good rugby atmosphere to these northern territories. Obviously if there is little interest from the locals then this will rub off onto the travelling supporters so thats why action should be taken now.
 
As a travelling supporter I plan on visiting England for a weekend during 2015. Having been in London numerous times already, I'm pretty interested in seeing games in Liverpool and Manchester. Leave for John Lennon Airport from Amsterdam on Friday, visit a match at Anfield on Saturday, take a train to Manchester on Sunday, visit a match at Old Trafford on the same day, leave Manchester by plane on Monday. Something like that.

EasyJet offers cheap flights from Amsterdam to both Liverpool and Manchester. Hopefully they will still be operating those routes in 2015. Otherwise it'll probably be London I'm visiting.
 
I seriously couldn't care less. If one wants comfort, cheap drinks and a good view, one should stay at home.
 
I think a good view when attending watch a match is hardly a lot to ask. I wouldn't attend a concert and expect them to use shitty audio equipment.
 

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