Rugby Analysis

[goodNumber10]

Nothing to see

 

[Andre8]

little piece by me on the Nick Cummins try:

http://www.thedeadballarea.com/anatomy-try-nick-cummins-vs-australia-november-2014/

[video=youtube_share;adkFJSaaGfw]http://youtu.be/adkFJSaaGfw[/video]

Good work mate, I totally agree with you!

 

[goodNumber10]

cheers!

 

[TheSaffycen]

This is really good work. If you were an Aussie fan would you be worried that you conceded a soft try or do you think this is just a great bit of play by williams that most teams would've conceded ? Also with you coaching how hard is it to create set piece moves with guys with only a few days training ? I am always a forward so the only moves I know is scrum and maul

 

[goodNumber10]

This is really good work. If you were an Aussie fan would you be worried that you conceded a soft try or do you think this is just a great bit of play by williams that most teams would've conceded ? Also with you coaching how hard is it to create set piece moves with guys with only a few days training ? I am always a forward so the only moves I know is scrum and maul

6 of one half dozen of the other. As a defence coach i'd consider it a soft try and would be pretty p*ssed at my midfield for not holding their channels in the 22, as an attack coach i'd consider Nanai-Williams execution good.

Like with scrummaging and line-outs it's all about timing, and that only comes from repetition. So the basic planning of the move is not so hard; a miss one loop is pretty standard fare something most people do from juniors upwards - it's just how you take that timing off each other and having the confidence to just leave the ball in the air for the runner etc... that make it good and getting that right in a few days is difficult, you can run ti unopposed 100 times but until you put a defence on it you have no idea how the guys will react to each other.

As you can see they actually mess it up, in that Cummins times his run too early, Saili too flat, but they get away with it because Nanai-Williams just fixes that defence - Lealiifano actually completes the tackle on him the line is that good.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Just finished working my way through six pages of excellent analysis, it really is very perceptive and interesting stuff. A large part of the reason I joined these forums is that I'm taking over a player-coaching role at my club (the coach having quit amongst a ****storm of a season...) with a view to doing a Level 2 course later in the year and moving into coaching in future as my body breaks down and stops me playing. As part of that I'm consciously trying to change how I watch rugby, to get more analytical and move on from "X had a good / poor game, because of his kicking / breakdown work / running lines" to something a level more detailed which looks at the hows and the whys. So this thread and the deadballarea stuff is invaluable to me, thanks a million goodNumber10.

On the Cummins try, my instinct in real time was that, while it was very well executed, Australia were at fault in defence - specifically Kuridrani in my view. Again, it is a lovely move and tricky to defend, but as you say, Cummins slightly butchers his run, messing up the wide dummy run. It is this run which is supposed to take the 13 wide, surely? In which case I don't think Kuridrani should have been following and should have focussed on putting down Cummins. It would still have been an excellent move, and would have crossed the gainline and very likely resulted in a try within a couple of phases, but I think Kuridrani should be angry that he let one straight through.

 

[goodNumber10]

@Every Time Ref thanks for checking them and the kind comments

I agree that Kuridrani should have held his ground, they were mirrored up so if he holds his channel Horne was on the looping player and Folau on last man. I think he thought Foley and Lealiifano would drift, but in that area they were right to hold on the man.

On coaching that's pretty much how I got into coaching and analysis - someone else left and i no one else was going to do it, so i ended up player coach fora few years and then took a year out when my son was born. Went back to it a year or so later, but not wanting to take back over the head coach role i ended up just doing skills and analysis - i basically used to do a brain dump after each game and share that with the other coaches and it slowly built up from there to video for the team and statistics etc... then i started doing this stuff did level 1 & 2, but have no massive desire to go any further in coaching so haven't pushed on.

If you can get video of games that will make a world of difference, even if it's just uploaded privately for the guys to watch, or failing that get someone to take photo's at the games - just looking back at those you can see rucking/tackle body positions and back/defensive alignments and so on... visual aids are really useful for quantifying what you already know/think.

If you have any questions feel free to ask/pm me.


**EDIT:

also just spotted this excellent piece by Kinsella:

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/south-africa-analysis-attack-1763298-Nov2014/?utm_source=twitter_self

 

[Every Time Ref]

If you have any questions feel free to ask/pm me.

I will almost certainly take you up on that at some point.

At the moment I haven't actually taken a single session, in the carnage which has been this season we've got nowhere to train until the new year and even when we were training we were getting very low numbers, and a big mix of abilities. Basically we won't be able to work on any big picture structural stuff so I'm thinking of ways to focus on basic skills (rucking, presenting, tackling, passing etc.) without making people feel patronised. To be fair, the main challenge is making it feel useful and enjoyable to a ragtag bunch of half-arsed amateurs, enough so that more people start turning up and we can have some proper sessions.

 

[goodNumber10]

I will almost certainly take you up on that at some point.

At the moment I haven't actually taken a single session, in the carnage which has been this season we've got nowhere to train until the new year and even when we were training we were getting very low numbers, and a big mix of abilities. Basically we won't be able to work on any big picture structural stuff so I'm thinking of ways to focus on basic skills (rucking, presenting, tackling, passing etc.) without making people feel patronised. To be fair, the main challenge is making it feel useful and enjoyable to a ragtag bunch of half-arsed amateurs, enough so that more people start turning up and we can have some proper sessions.

The single biggest thing you can do is make it fun.

Games based around the core skills, were you can progress the game to include other skills... Players want to play.

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

here @goodNumber10 it might have been a while but remember my request i asked about, how did it go did you fine any game to do.

 

[goodNumber10]

@ImScotty

to be honest mate I've managed to get some video but it's just getting time to do the analysis as everyone i do it for is after current/timely stuff, plus i have my own team and i'm starting to do some video stuff for a federale club here as well.

I haven't forgotten though, and i will try.

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

@ImScotty

to be honest mate I've managed to get some video but it's just getting time to do the analysis as everyone i do it for is after current/timely stuff, plus i have my own team and i'm starting to do some video stuff for a federale club here as well.

I haven't forgotten though, and i will try.

if timing is the main factor then i completely understand and off course work first over my request so take time i'm in no rush i could learn how to analyse for myself

 

[Every Time Ref]

Some analysis about Mark Vermeulen, and what the Irish have to look forward to this weekend:
http://www.therugbysite.com/blog/at...d5b52330d43eb311bd723f29d99a&utm_source=email

Interesting point early on, in that he doesn't carry on the counter attack much, unlike many no. 8s. Maybe that comes from SA's new, wider style, perhaps he needs to be able to pass and offload like Kieran Read before he can do that role?

In many ways he's actually not a million miles from the sort of player I see Sam Burgess being...

 

[goodNumber10]

This is a nice piece by Charlie Morgan of Rugby World on Brad Barritt, i've got to say i'm enjoying his analysis pieces:

http://www.rugbyworld.com/countries...r-analysis-brad-barritt-englands-mr-reliable/

Some analysis about Mark Vermeulen, and what the Irish have to look forward to this weekend:
http://www.therugbysite.com/blog/at...d5b52330d43eb311bd723f29d99a&utm_source=email

Interesting point early on, in that he doesn't carry on the counter attack much, unlike many no. 8s. Maybe that comes from SA's new, wider style, perhaps he needs to be able to pass and offload like Kieran Read before he can do that role?

In many ways he's actually not a million miles from the sort of player I see Sam Burgess being...

good piece that, really agree with Kinsella, and agree with your point about Burgess, it'd be amazing if he was even half as ood as Vermulen.

 

[Every Time Ref]

agree with your point about Burgess, it'd be amazing if he was even half as ood as Vermulen.

Was that typo supposed to be "good" or "odd"...?

The Barritt analysis is good but I'm still not convinced he offers much more in attack than doing the basics adequately - one good grubber, against a non-international side, is the only example of truly quality attacking play that I've seen. I don't buy the brilliance of the 2012 NZ break, re-watching it, it really took minimal vision and skill to see quite how badly Conrad Smith had f**ked it and move inside to the gaping hole. Good, calm, level-headed response to a basic game situation, and I'm not denying that unfortunately England's decision-making is sometimes poor in basic game situations, so yes I can see the value of that solidity to England, but just not enough for a 13. I believe in investing in players with uncoachable skills, and coaching them the coachable parts. You can never teach Barritt to run like TUilagi or Jonathan Joseph, but you might, with the right coaching staff and time investment, be able to coach one of them into a quality defensive leader and reliable get-everything-right type player - who would then also have game-breaking skills on top.

 

[goodNumber10]

Nothing to see

 

[Every Time Ref]

Hey@goodNumber10, I was actually pretty impressed with Eastmond/Barrittwith on Saturday. With the caveat that I saw the game live but I haven't re-watched on TV yet, they seemed to both be in the right positions and they stopped the ABs going around them in the wide channels - I'm sure the weather contributed, but even in the first half before the rain came down. I was watching Eastmond in particular and as far as I can see his defensive work was flawless ... didn't win any big hits (he doesn't) but made all his tackles comfortably (which Barritt didn't), never got caught out of position and even made a couple of important second-line tackles after a miss - including after the big double miss on Kaino which led to Cruden's try.

No serious attacking threat from either, apart from one flash of brilliance which Mike Brown dropped, but I think a centre pairing of Horan and O'Driscoll would've looked like mediocre club pairings the way the half-backs played. I'm not one of the Farrell haters, I feel he's always got stick way out of proportion to how he actually plays for England; but over the last year or so his performances have been closing that gap, and yesterday was the nadir. Just awful.

EDIT: Just watching again, and that was a nice pass from Barritt to May or the first try

 

[Every Time Ref]

Quick question if I may, does anyone know where I can find individual player stats for each game - ie, tackles, line breaks, defenders beaten etc?

 

[TheSaffycen]

ESPN scrum

 

[Every Time Ref]

Thank you. My life is about to get a whole load more exciting...