RFU rules against London Welsh

[SelimNiai]

Ok move, having been to Selhurst Park recently (is 2008 recent enough :lol: ) it's a good stadium, decent transport links and easy to find. But it's a old stadium and it shows in the overall look, flaking paint, wooden seats in places. Easier than the Kassam for the fans to get to

 

[McTallshort]

Does anyone else think the last thing we need in English rugby is another assetless London club playing in a half empty soccer ground which happens to be miles away from their orginal home and fan base?

Do you think it would have been different if it had been Wasps? Two chances.

If it was Wasps up for the drop you could bet your bottom doller the press would not be banging on about London Welsh getting promoted as much and Andrew was a Wasp long before he was a Falcon

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If Welsh aren't successful with their appeal then they should promote Bristol. They meet criteria and technically won the league.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Does anyone else think the last thing we need in English rugby is another assetless London club playing in a half empty soccer ground which happens to be miles away from their orginal home and fan base?

Nah but what it does need is healthy competition which allows teams to be given a chance when they have rightfully won promotion to the league. No point ring fencing the old boys, last year it should have been the Pirates, this year it should be the Welsh. These teams earned the right to compete in the Premiership and if Welsh have everything in order and win their appeal / legal proceedings then it will become a pathway for the likes of the Pirates and other clubs to achieve their dreams.


On a side note, please stop double posting. Learn to edit your posts. It's getting frustrating having to merge your posts all the time.

If Welsh aren't successful with their appeal then they should promote Bristol. They meet criteria and technically won the league.

I concur

 

[McTallshort]

Sorry will do,

Healthy competition does not come from clubs that are unsustainable, killing whatever history and local support they ever had chasing some premiership dream. Exeter did the hard work before going up and it has worked but if London Welsh were serious about promotion they should have sorted out a ground share back in September

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Sorry will do,

Healthy competition does not come from clubs that are unsustainable, killing whatever history and local support they ever had chasing some premiership dream. Exeter did the hard work before going up and it has worked but if London Welsh were serious about promotion they should have sorted out a ground share back in September

But then London Welsh are pretty convinced that the paper work was completed to what the RFU demanded, hence the fuss that London Welsh are making.

 

[McTallshort]

No they applied very late only when it looked like they could go up unlike Exeter who put everything in place ready, if it was up to me I would relegate all the clubs they dont met the standards because Wasps, LI and Sarries have had plenty of time to sort themselves out but thats not going to happen and I wonder what LW fans think about moving to a ground 55 miles away........

 

[TRF_Cymro]

No they applied very late only when it looked like they could go up unlike Exeter who put everything in place ready, if it was up to me I would relegate all the clubs they dont met the standards because Wasps, LI and Sarries have had plenty of time to sort themselves out but thats not going to happen and I wonder what LW fans think about moving to a ground 55 miles away........

Urm no, they filled the application in before the deadline and filled it with good amount of time to spare. Welsh fans have said it's not ideal but if it means Premiership Rugby then they are all for it. Exeter were lucky that their stadium allowed for expansion where as Old Deer Park is unable to be, sad case really because the likes of Old Deer Park and Penzance packed will have good atmosphere that would match most grounds in the Premiership and would certainly be better than the half filled stadiums. But then Welsh aren't a club as perfect as Leicester so there we are.

 

[SelimNiai]

Sorry will do,

Healthy competition does not come from clubs that are unsustainable, killing whatever history and local support they ever had chasing some premiership dream. Exeter did the hard work before going up and it has worked but if London Welsh were serious about promotion they should have sorted out a ground share back in September

A ground share is not as simple as quickly sorting one out. It takes months of planning, negotiations and legal talks about contracts and stuff.

Just because a club is playing in a lower league it does not mean their support dwindles, yes some stay away just because the "top" teams aren't bring played but the true fans remain. The Premiership isn't the be all and end all of rugby.

As for simply promoting us instead that would add more problems, I would be fairly sure of a Newcastle challenge. It makes more sense to relegate Newcastle regardless. That way the worst team get what they deserve and the RFU keep their friends

 

[McTallshort]

sly dig there but to be expected....

For the record I have nothing against London Welsh and yes Tigers are lucky in that they have always had a ground at Welford rd that could be developed but I am worried about this promotion firstly because London Welsh do not have the assets or the stucture to have a sustained Premiership life and this campaign they are waging could destroy what they have built up over the years like it did to Richmond, secondly English rugby union need clubs in the north if Welsh go up thats 5 clubs in the south east 4 of which dont even have a ground, the stucture of the HC is such that rugby development is put before simply picking the best 24 teams in Europe and its something I agree with. Rugby Union is still developing as a pro game and sometimes tough choices need to be made but London Welshes promotion could spell doom to that club and rugby in the North east I know mine is not a popular view but its the most sustainable one for English rugby.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

sly dig there but to be expected....

For the record I have nothing against London Welsh and yes Tigers are lucky in that they have always had a ground at Welford rd that could be developed but I am worried about this promotion firstly because London Welsh do not have the assets or the stucture to have a sustained Premiership life and this campaign they are waging could destroy what they have built up over the years like it did to Richmond, secondly English rugby union need clubs in the north if Welsh go up thats 5 clubs in the south east 4 of which dont even have a ground, the stucture of the HC is such that rugby development is put before simply picking the best 24 teams in Europe and its something I agree with. Rugby Union is still developing as a pro game and sometimes tough choices need to be made but London Welshes promotion could spell doom to that club and rugby in the North east I know mine is not a popular view but its the most sustainable one for English rugby.

1. You basically want to ring fence the Avia Premiership.
2. It's not London Welsh's fault they earned promotion, it is however Newcastle's fault for finishing bottom.
3. Geographic location should have no bearing on what should happen. The simple answer of you can't relegate Newcastle because it will kill rugby in the North-East is simply illogical. Union has not really been strong in the North, history states this.
4. London Welsh could sustain themselves, fact they have been doing so for years is a testimony to the hardwork that is going on behind the scenes.
5. Assets being a stadium I presume? Old argument that. They have sorted an alternate and the fact that other stadiums are now putting their hat into the ring e.g. Selhurst Park and Griffin Park shows that there people who believe that Welsh deserve the promotion and are willing to help.

 

[SelimNiai]

secondly English rugby union need clubs in the north if Welsh go up thats 5 clubs in the south east 4 of which dont even have a ground, the stucture of the HC is such that rugby development is put before simply picking the best 24 teams in Europe and its something I agree with. Rugby Union is still developing as a pro game and sometimes tough choices need to be made but London Welshes promotion could spell doom to that club and rugby in the North east I know mine is not a popular view but its the most sustainable one for English rugby.

So are you suggesting the "authorities" pick and choose promoted sides based on "what rugby needs". That's total ********, what gives them the right to preserve one club and potentially kill another. I just can't put into words how wrong and stupid that suggestion is

The South West has so many top sides is because Rugby has always been strong down here, its a good thing to have Bath, Bristol, Gloucester, Exeter, Cornish Pirates and Plymouth in the top 2 tiers.

You tell us why Newcastle should be saved and London Welsh should be ignored.

 

[Feicarsinn]

I'd just like to point to how the far more popular sport of football goes about it's business in this regard. At the moment, there's no Premier league team in Sheffield (they were both in league two last season). Does this mean that football is dead in Sheffield and that kids will stop playing? Seems unlikely. Did football stop in Leeds when they were relegate? Of course not.

The point is, relegating Newcastle wont kill off rugby in the north. It's a weak area, but there's no point trying to hide that fact by artificially keeping them at the top. Just as Leeds Carnegie continue to contribute a player or two to the England 20's despite going down, so will Newcastle. As far as I'm concerned, that argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[McTallshort]

1. You basically want to ring fence the Avia Premiership. I dont remember saying that
2. It's not London Welsh's fault they earned promotion, it is however Newcastle's fault for finishing bottom.
3. Geographic location should have no bearing on what should happen. The simple answer of you can't relegate Newcastle because it will kill rugby in the North-East is simply illogical. Union has not really been strong in the North, history states this. So English rugby gives up on the north? Should we exclude Italy from the HC too as we know its not really strong there
4. London Welsh could sustain themselves, fact they have been doing so for years is a testimony to the hardwork that is going on behind the scenes. They can sustain themselves in the championship but could they sustain a Premiership side in a ground 55 miles away from there fan base
5. Assets being a stadium I presume? Old argument that. They have sorted an alternate and the fact that other stadiums are now putting their hat into the ring e.g. Selhurst Park and Griffin Park shows that there people who believe that Welsh deserve the promotion and are willing to help.

NO after what happened to wasps its far from an old argument.

So are you suggesting the "authorities" pick and choose promoted sides based on "what rugby needs". That's total ********, what gives them the right to preserve one club and potentially kill another. I just can't put into words how wrong and stupid that suggestion is

Thats what happens in the HC.....

 

[SelimNiai]

So are you suggesting the "authorities" pick and choose promoted sides based on "what rugby needs". That's total ********, what gives them the right to preserve one club and potentially kill another. I just can't put into words how wrong and stupid that suggestion is

Thats what happens in the HC.....

We're not talking about the HCUP are we? This is about London Welsh and the travesty of their not getting what they deserve

 

[McTallshort]

I'd just like to point to how the far more popular sport of football goes about it's business in this regard. At the moment, there's no Premier league team in Sheffield (they were both in league two last season). Does this mean that football is dead in Sheffield and that kids will stop playing? Seems unlikely. Did football stop in Leeds when they were relegate? Of course not.

The point is, relegating Newcastle wont kill off rugby in the north. It's a weak area, but there's no point trying to hide that fact by artificially keeping them at the top. Just as Leeds Carnegie continue to contribute a player or two to the England 20's despite going down, so will Newcastle. As far as I'm concerned, that argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

You cannot compare the 2 Football is and always will be the most popular sport in England, rugby union is still very much developing and does need a helping hand in some parts the North east in particular

 

[TRF_Cymro]

NO after what happened to wasps its far from an old argument.

You might not have said ring fencing but that's what you were talking about without calling it that.

You make no sense, give up on the North East, Newcastle have not earned the right to stay in the Premiership. This is their fault, no one else. London Welsh should not lose out for the expense of keeping 'rugby' in the North East. You need to brush up on your sport history, North of England has traditionally been strong for League since it's split from Union. Your argument that Newcastle deserve to stay in the Premiership purely because they are in the North is ludicrous. Please please please get real.

You make me :lol: because you won't know if London Welsh can sustain themselves unless they are given that chance.

 

[McTallshort]

We're not talking about the HCUP are we? This is about London Welsh and the travesty of their not getting what they deserve

Take the emotion out of it for one minute, we are talking about whats best for rugby. The Hcup allow all 6 nations in the NH to field teams because it helps the development of rugby. Would it be a travesty if Welsh dont go up...for Welsh yes for the game in England as a whole no and lets be honest would the press be so vocal about this if it was Wasps looking at relegation and say Nottingham looking at promotion. No they wouldnt

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Take the emotion out of it for one minute, we are talking about whats best for rugby. The Hcup allow all 6 nations in the NH to field teams because it helps the development of rugby. Would it be a travesty if Welsh dont go up...for Welsh yes for the game in England as a whole no and lets be honest would the press be so vocal about this if it was Wasps looking at relegation and say Nottingham looking at promotion. No they wouldnt

The press made a fuss about the nonsense with Pirates last year.

 

[McTallshort]

You might not have said ring fencing but that's what you were talking about without calling it that.

You make no sense, give up on the North East, Newcastle have not earned the right to stay in the Premiership. This is their fault, no one else. London Welsh should not lose out for the expense of keeping 'rugby' in the North East. You need to brush up on your sport history, North of England has traditionally been strong for League since it's split from Union. Your argument that Newcastle deserve to stay in the Premiership purely because they are in the North is ludicrous. Please please please get real.

You make me :lol: because you won't know if London Welsh can sustain themselves unless they are given that chance.

And you obviously have the good of English rugby close to your heart.......