Premiership Rugby 21/22 - Rd 1

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Bullshit.
You're moving the goal posts.
My post was in reply to your words of "Well if people are double jabbed (which I am) you can still pass it on and still get it. So why would it make any difference to anything. All the risks of passing it on to vulnerable people etc won't go away"
Which is pure bullshit. Dangerous bullshit. And spreading anti-vax misinformation which will get more people killed.

My post didn't mention the premiership at all (I have elsewhere, feel free to pull me up on that one, not this).
Your mention of the priership was tagged on at the end with "and it must be a nightmare for the prem to know how to deal with this. " with "this" being - the dangerous bullshit you were spouting.

Relax mate you don't need to get so irate. Can you take this back to the COVID thread regardless, I'd really love to be able to tune out and focus on the rugby alone.

 

[Geordie]

Mark Wilson also had a knee op recently so out until after November....

 

[Which Tyler]

Relax mate you don't need to get so irate.

There is every reason to get irate - spreading misinformation so that people die is a bad thing. it IS worth getting irate about, and calling for bullshit when, and wherever posted.
That said, I'm happy to leave it alone in the this thread now that I've addressed the danger.
If someone else continues the conversation here though, I reserve the right to continue to address it myself.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Smith allowed to return from Lions stand-down early:

Marcus Smith given dispensation to return to Premiership action before Lions team-mates

Smith is on course to return for Harlequins’ match against Bristol on October 8, 10 days before England's other Lions

www.telegraph.co.uk

Makes sense seeing as he didn't feature in the tests, and really only playing a handful of minutes more than the England players did over the summer

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Saracens Men team to play Bristol Bears:
1 Ralph Adams-Hale
2 Tom Woolstencroft
3 Marco Riccioni
4 Nick Isiekwe
5 Tim Swinson
6 Jackson Wray (c)
7 Ben Earl
8 Billy Vunipola
9 Aled Davies
10 Alex Lozowski
11 Rotimi Segun
12 Nick Tompkins
13 Dom Morris
14 Alex Lewington
15 Elliott Obatoyinbo

Replacements:
16 Kapeli Pifeleti
17 Richard Barrington
18 Alec Clarey
19 Callum Hunter-Hill
20 Sean Reffell
21 Joe Simpson
22 Manu Vunipola
23 Ben Harris


Bristol Bears team to face Saracens at Ashton Gate Stadium on Friday, September 17th (7.45pm KO):
1. Jake Woolmore
2. Harry Thacker
3. Max Lahiff
4. Ed Holmes
5. Chris Vui
6. Steven Luatua (c)
7. Dan Thomas
8. Nathan Hughes.
9. Andy Uren;
10. Callum Sheedy
11. Ioan Lloyd
12. Alapati Leiua
13. Piers O'Conor
14. Luke Morahan
15. Charles Piutau

System players:
16. Will Capon
17. Yann Thomas
18. Jake Armstrong
19. Dave Attwood
20. Jake Heenan
21. Harry Randall
22. Sam Bedlow
23. Niyi Adeolokun

System players, lol

Sarries front row and backline look weak (no Goode?), but other than that reasonable - good to see Isiekwe in the 2nd row
Bristol looks real strong - Lloyd on the wing though?

 

[BPM]

Agree with all of that. Lloyd has played on the wing before and done well.

Hopefully Isiekwe will stay at lock. Best possible solution to a problem for England IMO. He and Itoje playing together week-in, week-out is only a good thing.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lloyd has played on the wing before and done well.

I was trying to think if I'd seen him there, but couldn't remember if I was just remembering Malins there

Wonder if it's a sign they're looking at him as more of a 15, going forwards, than a 10? Guess it depends which of him/Bedlow goes there if Sheedy goes off

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Bullshit.
You're moving the goal posts.
My post was in reply to your words of "Well if people are double jabbed (which I am) you can still pass it on and still get it. So why would it make any difference to anything. All the risks of passing it on to vulnerable people etc won't go away"
Which is pure bullshit. Dangerous bullshit. And spreading anti-vax misinformation which will get more people killed.

My post didn't mention the premiership at all (I have elsewhere, feel free to pull me up on that one, not this).
Your mention of the priership was tagged on at the end with "and it must be a nightmare for the prem to know how to deal with this. " with "this" being - the dangerous bullshit you were spouting.

I've not moved the goal posts, rugby players are people. You come across as really irate on all your posts dude. This whole thing is about sale sacking their players if they aren't double jabbed. My post you jumped on was in response to them.

You did the same thing with the English centre debate. We and the other person were talking about 12s and you came along and were this one man war machine banging on about 13s!!! It was always about 12s.

Just chill out a little.

 

[Which Tyler]

I've not moved the goal posts, rugby players are people. You come across as really irate on all your posts dude. This whole thing is about sale sacking their players if they aren't double jabbed. My post you jumped on was in response to them.

You did the same thing with the English centre debate. We and the other person were talking about 12s and you came along and were this one man war machine banging on about 13s!!! It was always about 12s.

Just chill out a little.

See my previous post.
You spread dangerous bullshit that gets people killed - that's the bit I jumped in on.
And you really saying that you couldn't have talked about Sale without spreading dangerous bullshit that gets people killed?

My level of irateness in ALL of my posts - yeah, of course, all 6,000 of my posts have been irate; and that's not even slightly an ad hominem logical fallacy.
Previous posts about different subjects are entirely irrelevant here - it's deflection and yet another logical fallacy - you seem to like those at the moment.

Do you stand by your dangerous bullshit? do you think people getting killed by believing dangerous bullshit is a good thing?

ETA: Sorry Noah

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

See my previous post.
You spread dangerous bullshit that gets people killed - that's the bit I jumped in on.
And you really saying that you couldn't have talked about Sale without spreading dangerous bullshit that gets people killed?

My level of irateness in ALL of my posts - yeah, of course, all 6,000 of my posts have been irate; and that's not even slightly an ad hominem logical fallacy.
Previous posts about different subjects are entirely irrelevant here - it's deflection and yet another logical fallacy - you seem to like those at the moment.

Do you stand by your dangerous bullshit? do you think people getting killed by believing dangerous bullshit is a good thing?

ETA: Sorry Noah

You sound like you have mental problems dude.

Nothing I said was 'dangerous ' nor was I spreading anything. We were discussing sale sacking people, how is having an unvaccinated person a sackable offence when the virus can still be spread by the vaccinated? Where is the grounds for sacking someone?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

how is having an unvaccinated person a sackable offence

It says in the article: it impacts their ability to do their job (restrictions on travel/quarantine for unvaccinated, and if vaccine passports come in they won't be able to enter stadiums that have the rule)

 

[Which Tyler]

You sound like you have mental problems dude.

Nothing I said was 'dangerous ' nor was I spreading anything. We were discussing sale sacking people, how is having an unvaccinated person a sackable offence when the virus can still be spread by the vaccinated? Where is the grounds for sacking someone?

I've never hidden my 40 year battle with depression, but here, its an ad hominem, and cutting a very close line to bullying.

So you didn't say "Well if people are double jabbed (which I am) you can still pass it on and still get it. So why would it make any difference to anything." then?
Even though it's there for all to see?
Interesting.

Mind, this is the at least the second time we've disagreed when you not only fail to read what other people have written. About also failed to read what you yourself have written - and then lashed out at me for using actual quotes.

 

[Rinkadink]

So anyway... what about the back row battle tonight for Bristol vs Saracens?

England 8s with points to prove Hughes vs Binny

DT vs Earl at 7

Both key clubmen and captains Luatua vs Wray

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't think Hughes can be considered an England 8 - when's the last time he even made a training squad?
I'd back him to do better than Binny, but maybe the summer off will have given Binny the kick up the arse he needs (though, considering the anecdotes of his willingness to train hard, he's more likely to come back 45stone)

DT vs Earl will be interesting - think Earl regressed at Bristol, will take him a while to get back into the swing of things at Saracens, reckon DT will win the battle of the breakdown: Specialist 7 vs jack of all trades

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Only surprise, for me, is the midfield - based on pre-season I thought the combos would be Rohan/Manu and James/Hill

Disappointing to see Langdon drop down the pecking order, realistically it should be Akker left out

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Missing Youngs, Montoya, Heyes, Wiese, Van Staden, Moroni.

Will be tough.
Saumaki I reckon missing out due to wanting maybe more ball readers in defence v Chiefs

 

[Geordie]

Falcons v QUins

15 Tom Penny,
14 Adam Radwan,
13 Ben Stevenson,
12 Pete Lucock,
11 Iwan Stephens,
10 Brett Connon,
9 Louis Schreuder;

1 Logovi'i Mulipola,
2 George McGuigan,
3 Trevor Davison,
4 Greg Peterson,
5 Sean Robinson,
6 Philip van der Walt,
7 Will Welch (captain),
8 Carl Fearns.

Replacements: 16 Jamie Blamire, 17 Kyle Cooper, 18 Mark Tampin, 19 Marco Fuser, 20 Connor Collett, 21 Cameron Nordli-Kelemeti, 22 Will Haydon-Wood, 23 George Wacokecoke.

No MIke Brown...

Thats a big back row...and a very lightweight set of backs...

 

[EdBirch]

 

[Which Tyler]

AJBell; 5.00pm Saturday
Ref: Christophe Ridley (42nd Premiership game).
TJs: Hamish Smales and Wayne Falla.
TMO: Jack Makepeace.


Sale:
1. Bevan Rodd
2. Akker Van der Merwe
3. Nick Schonert
4. Cobus Wiese
5. JP du Preez
6. Cameron Nield
7. Ben Curry
8. Jono Ross ©

09. Raffi Quirke
10. Rob du Preez
11. Marland Yarde
12. Manu Tuilagi
13. Sam James
14. Byron McGuigan
15. Simon Hammersley

16 Tommy Taylor, 17 Ross Harrison, 18 Cal Ford, 19 Rouban Birch, 20 Sam Dugdale
21 Will Cliff, 22 Kieran Wilkinson, 23 Rohan Janse van Rensburg


Bath:
1. Obano*
2. Dunn*
3. Jonker
4. Williams
5. Ewels* (c)
6. Reid*
7. Underhill
8. Bayliss*

09. Spencer
10. Cipriani
11. Muir(*)
12. Ojomo*
13. Joseph
14. Rokoduguni(*)
15. De Glanville*

16. Du Toit, 17. Schoemann, 18. Rae, 19. Ellis*, 20. Coetzee
21. Fox*, 22. Bailey*, 23. Clark*


ETA: I've seen this done elsewhere, and it's quite interesting
* denotes Bath academy products (even though Obano and Fox started off in other people's academies, they still spent a couple of years in ours before being considered for selection on merit)
(*) denotes first senior professional XVs contract for Bath.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Missing Youngs, Montoya, Heyes, Wiese, Van Staden, Moroni.

Beaumonth, De Jager, Du Preez, Curry, Du Preez, De Klerk, MacGinty

Almost half our starts