Potential citings for Quarterfinals

vasysm · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
Like referees, maybe we should use some filming team that have nothing to do with the countries involved ?? As Video refering is becoming important ??

Yep. American NFL television crews. Is that OK?

MunsterMan · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
And the strength, the premeditation, the precise targeting put in the move ?? Absolutely not the same...

Fair enough, not the same. Give O'Brien 1 week more than what Pocock got so

osullie6 · Oct 13, 2015

saulan said:
Okay, I keep hearing this story about a finger, that is purely a rumour and a wrong one. From the screenshots you can clearly see Pape has grabbed his side, nowhere near his shorts.View attachment 4026

This screenshot has been floating around twitter this morning... I'm not sure that I buy it as a line of defence though.

Tim Owen · Oct 13, 2015

The SOB punch is the worst bit of foul play I've seen yet at this tournament.
His rwc could well be over. Irelands chances without him in the team will also nose dive.

Kiwi_ · Oct 13, 2015

It's a shame, a full strength Irish side was more than capable of beating Australia, if they can even get past Argentina now.

saulan · Oct 13, 2015

osullie6 said:
This screenshot has been floating around twitter this morning... I'm not sure that I buy it as a line of defence though.

Fair enough, I hadn't seen that. But from this image it looks like his hand is more over to his side rather than in plugging position. Also, considering his hand is higher and still on that side in the shots I uploaded, I believe that he rode his hand up, not across. Maybe SOB took offence to being stroked

(and then held).

MunsterMan · Oct 13, 2015

osullie6 said:
This screenshot has been floating around twitter this morning... I'm not sure that I buy it as a line of defence though.

Video of it here.

http://www.tuxboard.com/coup-de-poing-sean-o-brien-pascal-pape-france-irlande-rwc-2015/

No 'foul play' on PapÃ©'s part, don't know where the rumour came from but it is nonsense.

osullie6 · Oct 13, 2015

Yeah, that video makes it clear that the most that happened was some fairly innocuous contact. You have to wonder where these rumours originate sometimes...

barthelemy · Oct 13, 2015

For those who talk about 1 week ban, I would like to remind everybody why the french are thinking these bans have always been heavier for their players : Pape had a 10 weeks ban for what he has done to Heaslip, just as a reminder.

I'm ready to believe that Pape behaviour was maybe a bit nastier (though he has insisted after that he has not made it on purpose with french media..I do not really believe it but still...) because coming in the back of heaslip... but 1 to 10 weeks ????

It is like we know already that the sanction will be softer for an irish man, it is already a given, we are used to it as frenchies.

Leonormous Boozer · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
For those who talk about 1 week ban, I would like to remind everybody why the french are thinking these bans have always been heavier for their players : Pape had a 10 weeks ban for what he has done to Heaslip, just as a reminder.

I'm ready to believe that Pape behaviour was maybe a bit nastier (though he has insisted after that he has not made it on purpose with french media..I do not really believe it but still...) because coming in the back of heaslip... but 1 to 10 weeks ????

It is like we know already that the sanction will be softer for an irish man, it is already a given, we are used to it as frenchies.

A strike to the stomach with a half clenched fist from a standing position is probably at least ten times less serious than a strike with the knee to the back with a running start breaking the player's back. Those two incidents are incomparable.

barthelemy · Oct 13, 2015

cmac95 said:
A strike to the stomach with a half clenched fist from a standing position is probably at least ten times less serious than a strike with the knee to the back with a running start breaking the player's back. Those two incidents are incomparable.

I do not agree but I guess it is all about bias in this case. Again, think about what you would have said if Pape would have punched SOB the same way, you would be asking for terminating his world cup at least and calling him "Dirty scum". The knee impact onHheaslip was not that high speed even if nasty certainly. SOB could have hurt Pape also much more as well.

MunsterMan · Oct 13, 2015

Heaslip had 3 cracked vertebrae. It's a little bit different.

barthelemy · Oct 13, 2015

There is Nastiness in the 2 intentions in my own perspective.

I do not think that Pape wanted to target any vertebrae.

Leonormous Boozer · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
I do not agree but I guess it is all about bias in this case. Again, think about what you would have said if Pape would have punched SOB the same way, you would be asking for terminating his world cup at least and calling him "Dirty scum". The knee impact onHheaslip was not that high speed even if nasty certainly. SOB could have hurt Pape also much more as well.

If O'Brien was a professional heavyweight boxer he may have managed to injure Pape for the match. Pape could have paralysed Heaslip... I wouldn't call anyone, in a one off case, striking a player 'dirty scum'. Anyone who has played rugby for a significant period of time has thrown a punch in anger.

Amiga500 · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
For those who talk about 1 week ban, I would like to remind everybody why the french are thinking these bans have always been heavier for their players : Pape had a 10 weeks ban for what he has done to Heaslip, just as a reminder.

I'm ready to believe that Pape behaviour was maybe a bit nastier (though he has insisted after that he has not made it on purpose with french media..I do not really believe it but still...) because coming in the back of heaslip... but 1 to 10 weeks ????

It is like we know already that the sanction will be softer for an irish man, it is already a given, we are used to it as frenchies.

Here, put these on:

MunsterMan · Oct 13, 2015

barthelemy said:
There is Nastiness in the 2 intentions in my own perspective.

I do not think that Pape wanted to target any vertebrae.

Kneeing someone in the back after running at them from a distance has far more potential for injury than a punch to the stomach. Come on now.

barthelemy · Oct 13, 2015

MunsterMan said:
Kneeing someone in the back after running at them from a distance has far more potential for injury than a punch to the stomach. Come on now.

I still think that it is not 1 to 10 the sanction.

OverGore · Oct 13, 2015

Sob should take at least 4 weeks, if not, just make a new rule precising the sanction depends on the nationality

saulan · Oct 13, 2015

I'm expecting it to be 4-5 weeks.

OverGore · Oct 13, 2015

Amiga500 said:
Here, put these on:

no need to dress france, u already have ur costume Amiga

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