Poor Consistency

[MotherRucker1]

I'm totally in favor of the officials cracking down on cheap shots, off the ball antics, attempts to cause physical harm to other players, etc. But can we get some consistency going? And I don't just mean the referees in the heat of the moment, I mean the old QC lawyer blokes who review this footage. Jean Deysel gets 7 weeks, which is a long time but justified in my opinion. Yet you're telling me that this isn't even one week? (may have to click the image to enlarge it)



He got off on the basis that it wasn't intentional. Utter rubbish. Scott Higginbotham has a history of trying to assault people, and funny enough, has been banned for two weeks at international level for having another pop McCaw. He got something like 3 yellow cards last year alone in Super rugby, has had more than one international ban. And you're telling me oh golly, Scotty didn't mean to stand on his head? Nonsense. If you watch the footage he clearly looks down. And it wasn't as if he clumsily tripped, his boot went down in a dangerous place. Funny how the sighting commissioner after that match said that was red-card territory. I'm not trying to protect McCaw. I realize he's no angel. But he doesn't do this to people. This is an issue about consistency, I don't care who was at the bottom of that boot.

Same thing with Steyn. Got the right decision in the end, but they tried to bluff their way into more inconsistency and give it nothing!? It shouldn't have to be appealed. You don't just slap Deysel with 7 weeks, and go soft on all these other instances. Totally inconsistent. Like I said, I'm in favor of the line they are taking but seriously. Sometimes facing that commission can be like waiting for a lucky dip. Which end of the extreme will it be? Absolutely nothing, or 7 weeks?

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

I'm totally in favor of the officials cracking down on cheap shots, off the ball antics, attempts to cause physical harm to other players, etc. But can we get some consistency going? And I don't just mean the referees in the heat of the moment, I mean the old QC lawyer blokes who review this footage. Jean Deysel gets 7 weeks, which is a long time but justified in my opinion. Yet you're telling me that this isn't even one week? (may have to click the image to enlarge it)

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He got off on the basis that it wasn't intentional. Utter rubbish. Scott Higginbotham has a history of trying to assault people, and funny enough, has been banned for two weeks at international level for having another pop McCaw. He got something like 3 yellow cards last year alone in Super rugby, has had more than one international ban. And you're telling me oh golly, Scotty didn't mean to stand on his head? Nonsense. If you watch the footage he clearly looks down. And it wasn't as if he clumsily tripped, his boot went down in a dangerous place. Funny how the sighting commissioner after that match said that was red-card territory.

Same thing with Steyn. Got the right decision in the end, but they tried to bluff their way into more inconsistency and give it nothing!? It shouldn't have to be appealed. You don't just slap Deysel with 7 weeks, and go soft on all these other instances. Totally inconsistent. Like I said, I'm in favor of the line they are taking but seriously. Sometimes facing that commission can be like waiting for a lucky dip. Which end of the extreme will it be? Absolutely nothing, or 7 weeks?

wait, sorry but when did i stamp on someone's head ?

 

[Shaggy]

I like to see more consistence also ... I'd like to see the emphasis on the issuing of cards remain a priority in years that don't have an RWC in them as well.

It seems that the directives issued to the refs from their bosses become more stringent in RWC year ... of course, competition for refereeing places in the RWC probably plays it's part in the number of cards issued too

 

[MotherRucker1]

Oregan Hoskins, South African Rugby Union President, has come out with some scathing, but very honest comments about the disciplinary process this year in Super Rugby:

"I didn't intend to go to the media on this," Hoskins told City Press.

"But frankly, I've just had enough.

"I feel we, as administrators, are fighting one fight and do not have the support of our judicial and refereeing panels.

"To be absolutely honest with you, I am at my wits end, because I am seeing how we are being torn apart on the field of play and by judicial decisions – and we are not getting the support we should be getting from these people, who are part of our organisation."

Hoskins, generally known for his low-key approach, forcefully denounced some of the rulings that have been passed on local players.

"I was at Kings Park [when the Sharks played the Crusaders].

"Take nothing away from the Crusaders, they deserved their win, but I was on the centre line watching the dangerous high tackles and shoulder charges.

"The first one, on SP Marais, almost took his head off and the next, on Odwa Ndungane, went totally unpunished.

"Then the third one, on Deysel, almost took his neck off.

"They just continued to dish out yellow cards, because that's the instruction they're given. [The Crusaders had three players yellow-carded within minutes of each other.]

"Deysel did a stupid thing, obviously, by retaliating with a knee on the guy's head, although it wasn't an injurious type of thing.

"But still, it is not allowed, and he got a red card and a heavy suspension – while the others were not even cited.

"There was also an incident in the previous game [between the Sharks and Chiefs] when Du Plessis and Steyn were sent off, when a Chiefs player dangerously kneed Cobus Reinach in the back – he wasn't even cited."

Hoskins said he had called a meeting with key figures in judicial and disciplinary structures, where he intended to make his dissatisfaction known.

These figures included Justice Lex Mpati, head of both SARU and SA, New Zealand and Australian Rugby (SANZAR) judicial committees, head of referees André Watson and citing commissioner Freek Burger.

"I'm so incensed, absolutely frustrated, and the public is outraged.

"I was a judicial officer; I was a citing commissioner, I know the drill.

"I studied the laws; wrote the exams; it's not like I'm standing in judgement as a layman," added an angry Hoskins.

One of the key questions he wanted answers to was the inconsistency in SANZAR disciplinary rulings.

"Steyn's situation was handled by an experienced citing administrator, who felt there were grounds for leniency, because another player was involved in the [tip] tackle.

"Then there's an appeal by SANZAR CEO Greg Peters – of his own volition – and the banning is escalated to five weeks.

"How can that be? And if that is the right way to go, why are there no other citings and appeals when it appears the match officials and judicial officers have erred?"

Hoskins said he was acutely aware there were "massive concerns among our supporters that our players are more harshly treated" and he had sympathy with this view.

"I am putting my foot down, and I want answers," he added.

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http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Hoskins-irked-by-inconsistencies-20150412

Not saying he's wrong, think he makes some good points. But it would be nice to know how the difference between a yellow card and a red card is defined. In one of those tackles he mentioned, there was actually an attempt, albeit slight, to use arms. Cannot remember which, think it was Taylor's? The second point is track records get considered, so no, not everyone will have the same ruling.

No mention about Nadolo's rubbish yellow card I noticed.

 

[austingtir]

^^ See even the administrators have no idea so how do we expect the ref's to have any.

This fool above reckons he wrote the book well this is the result when you get a friggin monkey to write a book.


The crux of the whole thing is they are pulling players up for what in past years would of been overlooked the first yellow was probably fair enough but in past years the rest wouldnt even of got a second glance.

If the refs calm down with the over officiating we will have a game that almost controls itself like past years. When you try and pull up every little error going on we are always going to end up in this situation.