Hello . I just discovered this forum, and it looks more accurate than many . I'm from South-Western France, the rugby center of France, and I started my rugby lover career in the 60s . What I love in rugby is rather hard to find now, but I still follow the sport anyways . Keep on the pleasure folks, and cheers .
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Is that Eastern South West France (Perpignan) Central South West France (Agen) or Western South West France (Biarritz/Bayonne/MdM)?!!
Welcome and please keep you eye on and join the top 14 thread to contribute and to correct us all.........................
Mr Tony, I've been supporting Mont-de-Marsan since my birth . But my childhood was the time of the Boniface brothers, inventors of the "passe croisée" ( crossed pass ?) . By that time, the Stade Montois was the "champagne rugby " herald, and that's what I came to love rugby for . The super-controlled tactics which came afterwards, big money, defensive highlights in training, super kickers and so on made me unhappy for what I love is creative beauty, surprises and "flair" . But well, I'm born in rugby land so I go on even if beauty has become rare .
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Mr Phil,
Similar to you, the enjoyment of attacking rugby is what attracted me to Biarritz many, many years ago and when I was lucky enough to be able to spend time outside of Biarritz and become a season ticket holder, I thought my dreams had come true!! I well remember their visit to a very strong Leicester in the H Cup when they destroyed the Tigers in the first half with breathtaking skill......
Unfortunately, it would appear that my time to go and watch them coincides with the change youe succinctly describe (what happned to rugby being a game for all sizes) and, for BOPB, in tactics when Lagisquet decided that the ball should not go past Yachvilli and back play became redundant combined with terrible backs recruitment (Brew and Ngwenya apart)!
This causes me great sadness and I will have to think hard about renewing my season ticket after this season due to the problem they have had in changing the management and ethos to meet the demands of the professional era and, latterly, a TV era that demands entertainment to go alongside winning....neither of which BOPB are doing at present and, without dramatic changes, are unlikely to do for some time into the future!!
If MdM do manage to play the rest of the season in the way in which their (mainly) academy players conducted themselves last week end, maybe your team will actually stay up this season.......seems to me that MdM are a bit like London Welsh in the UK having had little time to prepare themselves properly for the demands of the top league after promotion.
Look forward to your comments on all matters rugby and please feel free to keep me in order when I spout about French rugby in particular!!
Similar to you, the enjoyment of attacking rugby is what attracted me to Biarritz many, many years ago and when I was lucky enough to be able to spend time outside of Biarritz and become a season ticket holder, I thought my dreams had come true!! I well remember their visit to a very strong Leicester in the H Cup when they destroyed the Tigers in the first half with breathtaking skill......
Unfortunately, it would appear that my time to go and watch them coincides with the change youe succinctly describe (what happned to rugby being a game for all sizes) and, for BOPB, in tactics when Lagisquet decided that the ball should not go past Yachvilli and back play became redundant combined with terrible backs recruitment (Brew and Ngwenya apart)!
This causes me great sadness and I will have to think hard about renewing my season ticket after this season due to the problem they have had in changing the management and ethos to meet the demands of the professional era and, latterly, a TV era that demands entertainment to go alongside winning....neither of which BOPB are doing at present and, without dramatic changes, are unlikely to do for some time into the future!!
If MdM do manage to play the rest of the season in the way in which their (mainly) academy players conducted themselves last week end, maybe your team will actually stay up this season.......seems to me that MdM are a bit like London Welsh in the UK having had little time to prepare themselves properly for the demands of the top league after promotion.
Look forward to your comments on all matters rugby and please feel free to keep me in order when I spout about French rugby in particular!!
You know, I don't dream about MdM chances, they don't have any money, and each time they create a pearl the guy leaves the following year . About the BO, yes I feel like you . I wouldn't like to be a Basque club fan these times . Yet I loved Lagisquet as a player . My last beloved French team was from 87, Sella, Charvet, Bonneval, Lagisquet, Blanco . All able of an startling exploit . Backlines who looked first for avoiding opposite defenders, not running into them . And also taught how to make a perfect pass as the basis of a three-quarter's skills . But I painfully admit that pragmatic-winning is the only thing that matters Anglo-Saxons are not the only culprit . French spirit has been damageably polluted in the 70s by the f... club Béziers who won everything playing a beasty game . That was when France won a 1977 Grand Slam I was ashamed of, ugly bunch of beasts .
Well I heard in paradise there are teams I could enjoy .
Well I heard in paradise there are teams I could enjoy .
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True, but lets linger a little longer here and enjoy what the Basque and Les Landes have to offer before heading for the Stade de Ciel first!!!
I remember the 1987 team playing in New Zealand and only latterly understood just how much fun they had off the field whilst they played there!!
PS I agree about Lagisquet as a player....so what went wrong as a coach!!
If you have the opportunity, the 1987 SF in and against Australia, with the victory try in the last minute, "the try coming from the end of the world", is worth a glance . ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr9DxsNvjnI ) . Lagisquet plays a precious part in it .
As a coach, if I remember well, I rather liked him in his firt years . But look at his head : pretty small head isnt'it ? I'm afraid he's very influenceable . The thing is Jean-Paul Sartre was a very mediocre rugby player .
As a coach, if I remember well, I rather liked him in his firt years . But look at his head : pretty small head isnt'it ? I'm afraid he's very influenceable . The thing is Jean-Paul Sartre was a very mediocre rugby player .
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Ah remember it well......................the inspiring days of Blanco, Lagisquet, Laurent Rodrigues.....wait a minute were they not involved in Biarritz only last season!!! Great, great players but..........
In 1987, vision and flair ruled the game and not video replays, tactics were devised by the players not a team of coaches, the front rows folded into each other to make a solid scrum, attack ruled defence, TV had no influence on the game, and players looked human and not weightlifting (with "products" in some case) androids.
Mind you children were still innocent, cities not congested other than by yuppies whose red braces, champagne and cigar lifestyle was about to go out of fashion, and "Green men" were only seen in comic books............... nostalgia is wonderful!!!
In 1987, vision and flair ruled the game and not video replays, tactics were devised by the players not a team of coaches, the front rows folded into each other to make a solid scrum, attack ruled defence, TV had no influence on the game, and players looked human and not weightlifting (with "products" in some case) androids.
Mind you children were still innocent, cities not congested other than by yuppies whose red braces, champagne and cigar lifestyle was about to go out of fashion, and "Green men" were only seen in comic books............... nostalgia is wonderful!!!
Hey man, in 1987 the snake that makes all things ugly on earth was already a grown up ! hem... I'm not into nostalgia, simply I never forgot what I like and what I don't in life . And the evolution of rugby doesn't give me satisfaction, rather the opposite .
Unfortunately, rugby is not the only field of this trend, but nostalgia is not the point . Just keeping oneself within a tremendous wave of baseness . "You're making some ugliness", as the Amerindians said to someone who was stealing, killing or lying .
Unfortunately, rugby is not the only field of this trend, but nostalgia is not the point . Just keeping oneself within a tremendous wave of baseness . "You're making some ugliness", as the Amerindians said to someone who was stealing, killing or lying .
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That says it all and I agree!
