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Springboks 'too white' says de Villiers

Mike Kilpatrick, Yahoo! New Zealand Sport September 18, 2012, 12:34 pm






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Former Springboks coach Peter de Villiers was well known for his outrageous comments during his tenure in charge of the team.
But since his axing as coach following the World Cup last year, de Villiers has been largely absent from the headlines.
His latest outburst however - this time at replacement Heyneke Meyer's squad - is sure to put the divisive figure back in the spotlight.
The 'Boks, who have beaten Argentina twice but lost to both Australia and the All Blacks, have been criticised for their performances in the inaugural Rugby Championship.
And de Villiers, the first non-white coach of the 'Boks, has put this down to Meyer's squad being 'too white'.
In an interview with South African radio the controversial coach said the "black support" was being turned against the Springboks and people were tackling negatively about the team.
"It's just the little things that bother me. We need to know in what country we do live," he said.
"And at this moment we are turning a lot of black people against ourselves by making the team white and nobody will talk about these things but I just have to.
"Actually we're breaking up our country again."
"We do have a lot of great players who can make a difference. You have Gio Aplon - here in Cape Town - who can make a hell of a difference."
"You've got Juan de Jongh, an exciting player who can make a difference. We never played Kolisi - who's now injured, he was never given a chance," de Villiers continued.
De Villiers' comments are sure to reignite the race row that has plagued South African rugby for years - he himself was criticised in the past as it was widely believed he only got the job because he was non-white.

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I also think the Bokke are too white but we've just gotten past winter so give the boys a few days off and the African sun will do the rest.

I think it possibly true.

Most white South Africans probably grow up trying to be a great kicker or powerful ball carrier. While black South African's probably grow up trying to run with the ball in every situation and to do tricks like their allblack heroes!
A bit of a generalisation i know but i think it's true, in a lot of other countries as well.

Most of the coaches in SA are white as well and they like to play a powerful bish bosh game so i think it could have some element of truth to it.

I think it's strange why SA doesn't embrace the black players more, i've heard that black SA'a aren't as physically gifted as the West african's though...

It's very difficult to say as I don't know the conditions at mainly black clubs but the generalisation is that the 'black' clubs in traditionally black homelands tend to mismanage players and funds while the more settled clubs prefer a more traditional power based approach.

The other generalisation is that your average black kids generally struggle to compete physically with the average white kid. I tend to agree if I look at my own experiences and just standing in queues in shopping centers etc.
 
you remind me of the joke that we should change the emblem from a springbok to a seagull; all white with black on the wings.

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it has nothing do to with colour, its about merit/form... we have to stop looking at colour...

However... (and i'm probably going to be in **** for saying this)

but, the current gameplan probably suit "the white SA player" MORE as the "non-white"...

non-white players tend to play more of an expensive game then white players, you do however get white expansive players too, eg. lambie/goosen

but the percentage of white expansive players in SA are minimum... and i think this is what Pdivvy is actaully trying to say, indirectly... i would not mind having a full white expansive SA team though... why? I am actually supporting one in the AB...

so i think it comes down to game plan... but we have to move away from "colour"...
 
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it has nothing do to with colour, its about merit/form... we have to stop looking at colour...

However... (and i'm probably going to be in **** for saying this)

but, the current gameplan probably suit "the white SA player" MORE as the "non-white"...

non-white players tend to play more of an expensive game then white players, you do however get white expansive players too, eg. lambie/goosen

but the percentage of white expansive players in SA are minimum... and i think this is what Pdivvy is actaully trying to say, indirectly... i would not mind having a full white expansive SA team though... why? I am actually supporting one in the AB...

so i think it comes down to game plan... but we have to move away from "colour"...

Do you have any examples to back up this statement?

I bet you just say that because most black players are wingers.
 
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Do you have any examples to back up this statement?

I bet you just say that because most black players are wingers.

not only wingers, more backline players.... very little black forwards...

they don't feature that much for SA though as the gameplan is not for expansive play...

why do you think J de Jongh and Aplon looked average for the Stormers in this years S15? cuz the Stormers did not play their usual running game, they played "safe" rugby this year, trying to squeeze a win out of very game...

The stampkar gameplan does not suite non-white players, its not what we do, we want to play flair rugby, want to outsmart an opponent, might be a genetic thing aswell as non-player players in SA are usually smaller than the white players, so stampkar is not really an option... hence the saying "as jy nie sterk is nie, moet jy slim wees"...

That is why i feel SA can really dominate world rugby IF they just start thinking on the field, instead of doing what they have been told... take initiative, play your natural game

So Aplon was left out, cuz he doesn't suite the safe/stampkar gameplan, Aplon is too creative and the coach might be afraid he will take chances so he makes the excuse Aplon is too small for test Rugby... the coach however forgets, Aplon took on SBW in the S15... but the coach feels SBW gained 50kgs for test rugby... please tell HM to go look at how Cruden tackled Fran Steyn in Saturdays game plz... but i'm going off topic here...

Lets say De Jongh and JP made the team... would they have started? JP would have played 14 and JDJ on the bench... JDV and Fran Steyn to start... the coach would have his reasons...

JDV is captain and will need to start, although he is crap, his captaincy and as a player...

The coach will say fran steyn will start becasue of his huge boot (might be why morne started and not goosen, with goosen there his excuse for fran steyn huge boot wont count cuz goosen can kick far aswell) morne and frans back-up etc other for an excuse to include both...

10 goosen
12 JDJ
13 JP
14 JDV (captain needs to play)

a setup like that can work, but as i say - i don't mind if the entire bok team being white, for me its not about colour... its about gameplan, if the boks can play an exciting running game with 15 purple players so be it...

i would love to see a team like this!!!

9. fck know :? pienaar really really let me down.. but i blame the coach for this... its as if he listening to what the coach told him and not going according to his instinct :?
10 Lambie/Goosen/Jantjies/Katrakilis
11 banana/Hougaard/aplon
12 lambie/JDJ/Whitehead
13 JP/Jordaan/JJ (I would love to see JJ on 13)
14 JJ/Banana/Aplon/
15 taute/ludic/Aplon maybe fran steyn :?
 
Very few black forwards???

Ralepelle, Hadebe, Mtawarira, Mujati, Maku, Ntubeni, Floors, Johnson, Raubenheimer, Mtembu, Mabeta, Hess, Kolisi, Nyakane... Yeah, not enough...

People should stop judging based on skin-color. Why don't we see a lot of white players in Bafana Bafana? No, that doesn't need to be equal, only rugby. **** off.
 
Very few black forwards???

Ralepelle, Hadebe, Mtawarira, Mujati, Maku, Ntubeni, Floors, Johnson, Raubenheimer, Mtembu, Mabeta, Hess, Kolisi, Nyakane... Yeah, not enough...

People should stop judging based on skin-color. Why don't we see a lot of white players in Bafana Bafana? No, that doesn't need to be equal, only rugby. **** off.

Exactly!

and the other problem is that the good black players, all play in the same position, so they will be just substituting themselves. If you swap Kirchner for Aplon, it's 15 swapping 15. Mvovo for Habana, winger for winger.

Kolisi is maybe the only backrower who is up to par to play for the boks of colour. It's a no-win situation.

PDV is just blowing fire out of his ass... there would have been more black players in the team if it wasn't for injuries, Ralepelle and JP Pietersen comes to mind.
 
Very few black forwards???

Ralepelle, Hadebe, Mtawarira, Mujati, Maku, Ntubeni, Floors, Johnson, Raubenheimer, Mtembu, Mabeta, Hess, Kolisi, Nyakane... Yeah, not enough...

People should stop judging based on skin-color. Why don't we see a lot of white players in Bafana Bafana? No, that doesn't need to be equal, only rugby. **** off.

but are they good enough for the boks team? we are talking about the boks right? no use you name all the non-white forwards in SA...
 
but are they good enough for the boks team? we are talking about the boks right? no use you name all the non-white forwards in SA...

Well, for my money I wouldn't mind seeing Kolisi, Mujati, Ralepele and Mtawarira run out for the Bokke as I think they are players deserving of higher honors even if I feel Ralepele and Kolisi wouldn't make the starting XV on merit if all players were fit. I understand where HM is coming from with his selections even if I don't agree with it. I of course don't have coaching experience and am not privy to what goes on behind the scenes but as a passionate Bok fan I'll give my 2cents worth to anyone who'd listen LOL.

What I do have an issue with is the direction the Kings are taking regarding selections. What use is it (to SA rugby) to sign players like Andries Strauss and Steven Sykes who are just stop gap selections if your goal was to develop rugby in the EP? It's not like those players are developing in S15 whereas at the Lions you have a young squad with players like Elton Jantjies, Jaco Taute and Pat Cilliers to name a few who could all concievably contribute to SA rugby at test level in the future and could do with the exposure to top rugby they'd get in the S15.

SA rugby is taking a hit. I could accept that if it was to develop black players who might not otherwise get the opportunity IE give them a fast track and the opportunity to step up. But no, the Kings are signing solid enough but fringe players moving towards the twilight of their carreers.
 
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