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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 671558" data-attributes="member: 40658">No problem.  Pre-emptive self defence could be used in the same context if we look at terrorism.  The noise Oscar heard in the bathroom was enough to invoke a sense that there might be a threat.  In my own view (as I have been a victim of a break-in) if someone got so far as to be in your house, then he usually has a weapon with him too, and he won't hesitate to hurt/kill you.  The biggest problem in this case was actually the closed door.  If the door was open and Oscar had actually been able to see into the bathroom and it was an intruder and he did shoot him, then this case would have been done and dusted within a week.</blockquote>