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yeah, sorry, i know what "trendy" means, just hadn;t come across trendy animals beforeYeah like popular, I'll see if I can find anything online about it.
yeah, sorry, i know what "trendy" means, just hadn;t come across trendy animals beforeYeah like popular, I'll see if I can find anything online about it.
I googled it and remembered it incorrectly anyhow (sorry).yeah, sorry, i know what "trendy" means, just hadn;t come across trendy animals before
Don't get me wrong, I've lost any fondness that I had for the club, but the more I think about it, it seems clear to me that the club are doing what they think is best for their business. Purely in terms of pound notes, what approach would you advocate? I assume that they're worried about alienating a proportion of their customer base by making changes and are mitigating that risk by waiting until they're told to change by someone else with the power to do so.Can't get my head around how Exeter are behaving about this. At the end of the day they need to shut up and listen to the people who it is actually offending. The people it effects. To double down in this way should be criminal in this day and age and shows how little they actually care about their concerns and would rather placate the racists in their fan base.
Yeah this is a fair point but I look at it from a very naive point of view in that they should do what's right not what's right for the business. I'd also say that perhaps these 2 things aren't at odds with each other either. You can do the right thing for your pocket and morally you just have to be a bit creative in how you spin it but as you rightly point out that ship has sailed now.Don't get me wrong, I've lost any fondness that I had for the club, but the more I think about it, it seems clear to me that the club are doing what they think is best for their business. Purely in terms of pound notes, what approach would you advocate? I assume that they're worried about alienating a proportion of their customer base by making changes and are mitigating that risk by waiting until they're told to change by someone else with the power to do so.
I've always said that they should have recognised that change is inevitable, made it as soon as possible and taken a PR win, but can understand that that approach would have come with the risk of losing customers (what business wouldn't be worried about making a change that they know will upset a significant portion of their customer base?) Now that any sort of good PR ship has sailed and the club has made it clear that they don't care about minority groups / racism, what would they gain by changing before they're forced?
It's an English rugby club in a non-ethnicly diverse area! I can't claim to be an expert, my opinion is based on tmy knowledge of the area, a look around me on the terraces the last time I attended and a look on Twitter.I don't know enough about Exeter's support but I like to think the majority would get behind it but I could be way off on that.
Yeah I can't say I find what you've said there disagreeable.It's an English rugby club in a non-ethnicly diverse area! I can't claim to be an expert, my opinion is based on tmy knowledge of the area, a look around me on the terraces the last time I attended and a look on Twitter.
Had they got in early and swapped the branding for something along the lines of the Celtic one that's doing the round on social media, there's a much better chance that it would have gone down well. Now that this issue has been seized on by the sort of idiots who have graduated from "political correctness gone mad" to "woke", "snowflake" and "leftwaffle", any sort of climb down is going to go down poorly with that faction, which I'm guessing is significant within the fan base.
Can't get my head around how Exeter are behaving about this. At the end of the day they need to shut up and listen to the people who it is actually offending. The people it effects. To double down in this way should be criminal in this day and age and shows how little they actually care about their concerns and would rather placate the racists in their fan base.
What's wrong with swing low?On a side note I heard swing low was in full flow at Twickenham when I had the game on in the background over the weekend. I find it hard to grasp why they're still singing it with such vigour when Itoje has himself come out and said it makes him feel uncomfortable.
What's wrong with swing low?
In short, and there's probably people on here more knowledgeable than me, but its due to the songs roots in slavery and it's origins of essentially being a slave song. It has drawn criticism from African American individuals and groups over the last few years, much in the same way Exeter has with Native Americans. This has been picked up on and off over the last few years but got more traction in the press last year IIRC, to the point where Itoje commented on it. I believe the RFU response was not to ban it but rather to try and inform people so that they don't want to sing it any more.What's wrong with swing low?
The weird part is no one is calling for a name change as this argument has developed. Its a very specific complaint against Native American imagery.In my opinion the change of name is inevitable, so I wouldn't drag it out. Better to rip the band aid off now so to speak.
Just to add that whilst there's romanticism into why it started being sung it's been suggested those people weren't exactly pure of heart. Sadly.What's wrong with swing low?
i think most people would have advised to make the inevitable name or logo change quickly and make as little a deal around it as possible as the Crusaders did, a few months of grumbling but once they had another trophy under the new logo people move on, maybe not forgotten but you move on....digging their heels in will just make it a bigger problem when they do eventually foldDon't get me wrong, I've lost any fondness that I had for the club, but the more I think about it, it seems clear to me that the club are doing what they think is best for their business. Purely in terms of pound notes, what approach would you advocate? I assume that they're worried about alienating a proportion of their customer base by making changes and are mitigating that risk by waiting until they're told to change by someone else with the power to do so.
I've always said that they should have recognised that change is inevitable, made it as soon as possible and taken a PR win, but can understand that that approach would have come with the risk of losing customers (what business wouldn't be worried about making a change that they know will upset a significant portion of their customer base?) Now that any sort of good PR ship has sailed and the club has made it clear that they don't care about minority groups / racism, what would they gain by changing before they're forced?
The really clever trick would have been not to have picked it in the first place. Their (then) strength coach is on record as saying that there were quite a few surprised / confused faces in the meeting when it was announced to the playing / support staff.i think most people would have advised to make the inevitable name or logo change quickly and make as little a deal around it as possible as the Crusaders did, a few months of grumbling but once they had another trophy under the new logo people move on, maybe not forgotten but you move on....digging their heels in will just make it a bigger problem when they do eventually fold
This is the mess Yorkshire/ECB have gotten themselves into with Cricket. They tried to pretend it wasn't a real problem rather than listen and deal with it properly and now they are being dragged in front of MPs to explain themlseves.My point was about how best to manage the current situation now that they have created a bigger problem by ignoring / denying it rather than nipping it in the bud.
I agree about Yorkshire. I'm not so sure about the second sentance though. What further bad outcomes for the club do you envisage the longer this is allowed to continue? My take is that now things have been allowed to get to the stage that we're at now, it would be a better result for the club (financially) to rebrand because they're told they have to than doing so of their own volition and risking losing customers who disagree with a rebrand and with the club bowing to the "woke brigade" (to use their parlance).This is the mess Yorkshire/ECB have gotten themselves into with Cricket. They tried to pretend it wasn't a real problem rather than listen and deal with it properly and now they are being dragged in front of MPs to explain themlseves.
This despite everything said isn't as bad as that but it will just grow into a bigger issue the longer they pretend there isn't one.