Northampton Saints vs Munster

[An Tarbh]

maybe but Hartley has been banned more in his career which is saying something considering he's 13 years younger than Quinny

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Oct 5 2009, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

maybe but Hartley has been banned more in his career which is saying something considering he's 13 years younger than Quinny[/b]

jesus is that true?

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Oct 5 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Oct 5 2009, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

maybe but Hartley has been banned more in his career which is saying something considering he's 13 years younger than Quinny[/b]

jesus is that true?
[/b][/quote]

couldn't tell you to be honest, thought it was a safe assumption considering he's already got a 6 month ban under his belt and I'm sure that's not the only one. Anyway he's a reformed man now.

Originally posted by English Independent
Hartley is converted to a Saint among the sinners
Matured hooker has learned the error of his ways but he's still ready to rumble

By Hugh Godwin

There is the long-winded approach to defining what professional rugby is about â€" the 138 pages of the Rugby Football Union's Image of the Game report last week springs to mind â€" and then there is the infinitely more digestible version from Dylan Hartley. "I still like watching a game and seeing a bit of a scrap," said the Northampton captain and England hooker. "It's a contact sport. There's collisions and things aren't always going to be friendly. You need to play on the edge with aggression and sometimes things go over. It's just a part of the game."

From those few words, which were not hollow bravado by Hartley but a considered opinion as he contemplated his club's Premiership trip to Wasps today and Saturday's juicy Heineken Cup opener at home to Munster, all of rugby follows. There will be blood, sweat and tears, and it is up to the administrators (heaven help 'em) to frame the laws and rules that make it work and keep it in check.

There will always be human nature and human error and, at the risk of grossly simplifying the thick wads of graphs and data gathered by the RFU's Game Task Group, they account for the statistically rare instances of drug-taking, fake blood and feigning injury. The latter was reported most often but, frankly, unless players are going to be x-rayed as they leave the field there will always be scope for throwing a sicky. Either that or revert to 15 against 15 and let the devil take the one forced to play with a broken leg.

Hartley's most famous faux pas was a double case of gouging against Wasps in 2007 which landed him a six-month ban. He made a mistake but Hartley believes he has learned the lesson and changed as a player and a man. The 23-year-old from Rotorua, reared by Northampton's academy, was picked by Martin Johnson for the England bench for last season's autumn and Six Nations Tests, and for two starts against Argentina when Lee Mears was with the Lions.

"I can actually remember thinking 'right, keep your head down, cut the **** and get on with it'," said Hartley. "And you mature. It's rewarding to look back and see how I've progressed. It's a testament to myself and people around me like [Saints coaches] Jim Mallinder, Dorian West, Paul Grayson, who've nurtured me and got me back on track." Even down to his short back and sides? "Yeah, that was part of it. I had Dorian West in my ear, with his old school Leicester mentality, calling me a blond bimbo, with your long hair, smarten yourself up.

"People who watch me every week at Northampton would say I'm a saint. Go somewhere else and I've still kind of got that reputation hanging over me." So opponents still try and wind him up? "Yeah, and it makes me laugh, because that's what I used to do. It makes me think 'you're taking your mind off your job to annoy me, but I'm blanking you out and just concentrating on what I'm doing'. It's easy to handle. I know what's happening."

It was against Munster in a friendly in Limerick that Hartley made his first-team debut in August 2005. After three wins in four Premiership matches this season, Northampton are in good heart for renewing a rivalry dating back to the 2000 Heineken Cup final, won by the English side at Twickenham.

"We could turn up against Munster next week and get a hiding; we could turn up as underdogs and the unknown and win," Hartley said. And with the straightest face this side of a Caesars Palace poker table, he answered "don't know who they are" to a mention of Munster's Lions locks Paul O'Connell and Donncha O'Callaghan. Good on you, Dylan. The ability to take the mickey â€" and be on the end of it â€" is as much a core value of this game as Teamwork and Respect and the rest.

 

[MunsterMan]

Hasn't Hartley been convicted of gouging twice as many times as Quinlan? Those in glass houses.....

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Oct 5 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I seem to recall that Quinlan has the worse record of late. Hey-ho.[/b]

I know Quinny worst but rare he get caught.
But here a stat i just dug out in terms of length of time over past 2 years the Saint have had worst disciplinary record out of all ML, GP & Top 14 Teams

And they act like angel. Quinny no angel we can admit that and his ban for what happened with Cullen while not intentional in some views deserved a ban but we know we playing a team that rivals Argentina for gouging this week

And how can we forget Neil Best who will have lamped every Munster player, Northampton player & the ref before match even start :lol:

But ye can't say much as like of Best and Hartley have served lengthy ban's in past. No Munster player has recieved anything like 36week ban

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Oct 5 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Oct 5 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I seem to recall that Quinlan has the worse record of late. Hey-ho.[/b]

I know Quinny worst but rare he get caught.
But here a stat i just dug out in terms of length of time over past 2 years the Saint have had worst disciplinary record out of all ML, GP & Top 14 Teams

And they act like angel. Quinny no angel we can admit that and his ban for what happened with Cullen while not intentional in some views deserved a ban but we know we playing a team that rivals Argentina for gouging this week

And how can we forget Neil Best who will have lamped every Munster player, Northampton player & the ref before match even start :lol:

But ye can't say much as like of Best and Hartley have served lengthy ban's in past. No Munster player has recieved anything like 36week ban
[/b][/quote]

doesn't say much for you if you can't remember the Claw!

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Oct 5 2009, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Oct 5 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Oct 5 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I seem to recall that Quinlan has the worse record of late. Hey-ho.[/b]

I know Quinny worst but rare he get caught.
But here a stat i just dug out in terms of length of time over past 2 years the Saint have had worst disciplinary record out of all ML, GP & Top 14 Teams

And they act like angel. Quinny no angel we can admit that and his ban for what happened with Cullen while not intentional in some views deserved a ban but we know we playing a team that rivals Argentina for gouging this week

And how can we forget Neil Best who will have lamped every Munster player, Northampton player & the ref before match even start :lol:

But ye can't say much as like of Best and Hartley have served lengthy ban's in past. No Munster player has recieved anything like 36week ban
[/b][/quote]

doesn't say much for you if you can't remember the Claw!

[/b][/quote]
Was talkin in past 3-4 years

And it was a controversial ban may I recall and it did not happen with Munster if you are referring to French game in 5Nations

 

[monkeypigeon]

I pointed out this Hartley vs Flannery issue ages ago in another form.

Teh Mite you can call Rog, Stringer, Horan and Quinnie what you like all you like. But do not doubt the awesomeness of Jerry Flannery.

He would have started the Lions test matches were he fit and if you go back to those 'what will the liopns starting 15' threads you'll see that neary everyone was putting him there. I think after Wally and argueably O'Leary and/or Earls he was Munsters best player last year.

Hartley is class too mind. Probably the best New Zealander who'll play for England next year.

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Oct 5 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I pointed out this Hartley vs Flannery issue ages ago in another form.

Teh Mite you can call Rog, Stringer, Horan and Quinnie what you like all you like. But do not doubt the awesomeness of Jerry Flannery.

He would have started the Lions test matches were he fit and if you go back to those 'what will the liopns starting 15' threads you'll see that neary everyone was putting him there. I think after Wally and argueably O'Leary and/or Earls he was Munsters best player last year.

Hartley is class too mind. Probably the best New Zealander who'll play for England next year.[/b]

Exactly Jerry is most dynamic hooker in Northern Hemisphere.

 

[Bullitt]

Please bare in mind (and I have been drinking this evening) that the best response to "Flannary is a walking ASBO" so far has been "well Hartley is a *__________* " (insert your own quote there).

Nothing like "Flannary isn't a liability in giving penalties away" or "Flannary never lumps anyone".

Just an observation...

 

[monkeypigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Oct 5 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Please bare in mind (and I have been drinking this evening) that the best response to "Flannary is a walking ASBO" so far has been "well Hartley is a *__________* " (insert your own quote there).

Nothing like "Flannary isn't a liability in giving penalties away" or "Flannary never lumps anyone".

Just an observation...[/b]

That's because its the same type of comment as 'Cipriani is a sure thing to start for the Lions in 2010'. It hurts less if you pretend it never happened.

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Oct 5 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Please bare in mind (and I have been drinking this evening) that the best response to "Flannary is a walking ASBO" so far has been "well Hartley is a *__________* " (insert your own quote there).

Nothing like "Flannary isn't a liability in giving penalties away" or "Flannary never lumps anyone".

Just an observation...[/b]

Granted your drunk but you not really making sense like when did Jerry lump someone?????

 

[MunsterMan]

Mite's just upset that jerry called Steve Thompson a fat c***...

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Oct 5 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Mite's just upset that jerry called Steve Thompson a fat c***... [/b]

:lol: Jerry and about 6million others :lol:

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Oct 5 2009, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

like when did Jerry lump someone?????[/b]

Eh .... Last Saturday about 4 mins after he came onto the pitch, in his first game this season, he took a full swing at O'Kelly

Flannery is a damn fine hooker. In my opinion hes the best in Europe. Solid scrum, very strong lineout and is another loose forward in open play. I cant thing of many others I'd want in front of him.

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Oct 6 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Oct 5 2009, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

like when did Jerry lump someone?????[/b]

Eh .... Last Saturday about 4 mins after he came onto the pitch, in his first game this season, he took a full swing at O'Kelly

Flannery is a damn fine hooker. In my opinion hes the best in Europe. Solid scrum, very strong lineout and is another loose forward in open play. I cant thing of many others I'd want in front of him.
[/b][/quote]
Yeah but that was just way Munster and Leinster player say hi

But agree that Flannery is best hooker in NH and definitely up their as 1 of best in world.

Think this game could be cracker it really is make or break for us because if we loose this the 2 games (in consecutive weeks vs Perpignan) will be major pressure

 

[durbutter]

I'd say that french fella,szwarskikikiki, He's unreal. Prob better than Fla.

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noidsay @ Oct 6 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I'd say that french fella,szwarskikikiki, He's unreal. Prob better than Fla.[/b]

No way ... He good and dynamic but inconsistent and isn't a settled part in French team for a reason.
I'd nearly even have Rory Best ahead of him too although it hard comparing 2 as they totally different styles

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Oct 6 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noidsay @ Oct 6 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd say that french fella,szwarskikikiki, He's unreal. Prob better than Fla.[/b]

No way ... He good and dynamic but inconsistent and isn't a settled part in French team for a reason.
I'd nearly even have Rory Best ahead of him too although it hard comparing 2 as they totally different styles
[/b][/quote]

well he actually is one of the few who is a settled member of the French squad, has been a permanent fixture since the retirement of Ibanez.

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Oct 6 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

well he actually is one of the few who is a settled member of the French squad, has been a permanent fixture since the retirement of Ibanez.[/b]

I refuse to write anything complimentary about a rugby player who wears pink and has hair like his!