Margaret Thatcher Passes Away

[Superalexmarket]

No the war was justified, your country invaded an island that is part of the sovereign claim, therefore British soil. The residents on the island voted recently to stay in British control. The facts are:

Argentine soldiers took British Soldiers and citizens hostage when the illegally invaded an island which does not belong to them, capturing Port Talbot. You can believe what your fascist government feeds you but I am proud of my country and our navy of reclaiming what is rightfully ours. The only reason this argument has started again is because oil has been found in the region. For which the argentine government want to line their pockets with.

If there was no oil you would not want to know about it. The islands have been in the hands of British sovereignty for over 100 years and I hope for the people who live on the island they stay there for many more years.

Let me tell you a little story: In 1816 Argentina declares Independency and inherited from Spain territories and possessions by the "Uti Possidetis iure" among there were the Malvinas Islands (read the Samuel Jhonson report). In 1820 an argentine settlement was established until 1833 where was expelled by the force for the Royal Navy...how we can call that? An invasion... what about the right to self-determination of those Argentines? Don´t care a **** to UK... so let´s see the full History to talk about it.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

http://www.falklands.gov.fk/legisla...alkland-islands-people-to-the-united-nations/

That is all.

 

[Getofmeland]

Right you want to talk history. The islands were actually discovered and were uninhibited in 1952 when landed on claimed by John Davis for the British empire.

So where does your original right come from? Oh because it's off the coast of you. Well the French could say the same for the UK because we are off their coast or the Australians could claim New Zealand in the same way.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Any mention of 19th century British colonialism by Spanish South Americans is beyond absurd, and completely self-defeating in the context of their argument.

 

[Taranus]

Hasn't this gone a bit off topic from discussing Thatcher?

I'm too young to really have a view of her policies but I think what she did to break the power of the Unions benefited the UK in the long term and I dont believe that many of her policies have been repealed by Labour under Blair or Brown.

Edit: I think its also worth pointing our that these 'Thatcher Parties' are only being attended by a few thousand people out of a population of 60 million so despite the amount of media attention they are getting they do not represent the whole of the UK and probably says more about those people attending than it does Thatcher.

 

[Aristodemus]

RIP Maggie Thatcher. I will just make this one post as it is meant to be a thread about her.

Argentina have no claim to the Falklands whatsoever. Britain claimed the islands before Argentina even existed as a country and it is not in Argentinian waters. As I understand it, they base the claim on the treaty of Tordesillas (1494) in which Spain basically claim everything in the new world. I can't condone the behaviour of the Empire in certain areas of the world but the Falklands isn't one of them. Even if Argentina had a good reason the feel aggrieved, one look at a world map of 1828-1833 should be enough to know you can't return the world to how it was then.

 

[Twebby]

I'm 20 , I feel like I'm entitled to feel however I want over the scenario. I wouldn't be a strong republican at all. However the old bag has a terrible legacy over here. And someone who did wrong to my parents and their generation in my opinion has done wrong to me.

For example do you think that the families of those killed by Charles Manson and his family have the right to take a degree of pleasure or sense of justice from his impending passing? Despite a number of them having not been born during his murderous activity.

People are entitled to an opinion, but burning pictures of a politician on the day of the death isn't a justified reaction. If people don't want to mourn her passing (or perhaps even feel satisfied she is no longer around) then fine, but news footage of twenty-somethings quite literally dancing in the street over it just seems ridiculous.

She isn't a murder and I'm sure she made mistakes and took decisions which effected people, but at the end of the day that was the job she was elected to do and those were decisions that needed making. She is also someone's mother, someone's grandmother - she wasn't some emotionless monster and I don't feel she deserves the sort of reaction usually seen around the fall of a genocidal dictator.

As I said, I don't hold much feeling either way about her as a politician, I just don't like the dramatic outbursts that seem to be accompanying her death.

 

[Getofmeland]

One thing about Margaret Thatcher is she divided a nation, something the politician's today don't have the balls to do today. They are too down the middle, Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems basically have the same policies just worded differently. Its almost like they are afraid to upset one group of people for something that would benefit the country as a whole.

It can also be said that she got people interested in politics, something that these days never happens, with the voting figures at their lowest points ever.

 

[Groundhog]

I'm 20 , I feel like I'm entitled to feel however I want over the scenario. I wouldn't be a strong republican at all. However the old bag has a terrible legacy over here. And someone who did wrong to my parents and their generation in my opinion has done wrong to me.

For example do you think that the families of those killed by Charles Manson and his family have the right to take a degree of pleasure or sense of justice from his impending passing? Despite a number of them having not been born during his murderous activity.

Pretty much this. I feel no reason to feel sorry. Saying that because a persons actions didn't directly affect you means you have no right to complain is bullshit. At the same time I wouldn't agree with stuff like burning her picture, but I find the people venerating her to be just as bad.

 

[Superalexmarket]

Any mention of 19th century British colonialism by Spanish South Americans is beyond absurd, and completely self-defeating in the context of their argument.

Seriously? and who determines which part of history is worth and what it´s not? since 1982 it has value, and before that year does not? C'mon you can argue something better than that ...

 

[ratsapprentice]

Your country (pretty much entire continent) is a result of European colonialism.

 

[LittleGuy]

Here is a clip of the junta responding to Great Britain's mobilization in 1982....Galtieri is the one speaking...I love the Air Force general on the left, looks like he's just bored out of his mind.



Edit: I just love how "Junta" they look, like if you were going to do caricatures of a military regime, these are the exact four guys I would use.

 

[Saintjay]

I may be the only member here who has been to the Falkands in 1998 as the resident infantry company. Generations of people on the Island see themselves as British. Who has the right to take that choice from them.

 

[McTallshort]

I may be the only member here who has been to the Falkands in 1998 as the resident infantry company. Generations of people on the Island see themselves as British. Who has the right to take that choice from them.

Did you mix with any of the Bennies........

 

[Draggs]

I had some instructors who were based at RAF Mount Pleasant for a bit after the conflict.
Loved it, got to blast around in their jets low and fast through the hills. Residents got a bit worried if they didn't see jets regularly, so it was encouraged.
One pilot heard a BANG as they skimmed over a farm. Found a big radio/TV aerial through their wing when they landed. Great times, by the sounds of it.

 

[Superalexmarket]

Your country (pretty much entire continent) is a result of European colonialism.

NOOO!!!! Really??? I do not even suspected... (OMG I understand your nickname right now)

 

[ratsapprentice]

Nice one bro.

 

[smartcooky]

Seriously? and who determines which part of history is worth and what it´s not? since 1982 it has value, and before that year does not? C'mon you can argue something better than that ...

I would be interested to hear your opinions on the following....

1. Should Japan have been entitled to keep Manchuria as part of its own country after 1945?

2. Should Germany have been allowed to keep the Sudetenland, and Alsace & Lorraine after WWII?

3. Should Mexico have been allowed keep California and Texas after the 1846-48 US v Mexico war?

4. Should Russia have been allowed to buy back Alaska (which they sold for 5c per hectare) after it was discovered that it was rich in gold, copper and oil?