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Major squad upheaval at Munster next year

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Tipoki is the highest-profile Munster ace likely to leave the province this summer, with retirements and non-renewal of contracts ensuring that up to 10 squad members will be elsewhere next season. Anthony Horgan and Federico Puciariello are both retiring, as is Brian Carney. Scrum half Mike Prendergast will also be departing but 32-year-old hooker Frankie Sheahan, one of the heroes of the province's ***anic tussle with the All Blacks last November, is out of contract and looking for a new club, despite a desire to remain with the European champions. Two French clubs have been in contact with his representatives and Sheahan is mulling over his options with Jerry Flannery and Denis Fogarty now ahead of him on the Munster roster.

Speculation that Peter Stringer may also be pondering a move elsewhere has been discounted as well wide of the mark. The scrum-half has another season on his existing contract. Also the will-he-won't-he saga over Paul Warwick appears to be settled in Munster's favour with the Australian set to spend at least another campaign in the province.

Fringe players such as Mark Melbourne and Michael Essex will also depart, with back row John O'Sullivan and centre-wing Kieran Lewis also poised for an exit from the Munster champions.[/b]
In short Tipoki, Horgan, Puciariello, Carney, Prendergast, Sheahan, Melbourne, Essex, O'Sullivan and Lewis are on the way out. That's roughly 1/4 of their entire squad. Obviously that's a serious chunk of the wage bill jettisoned so you'd expect to see Munster add a top quality player or two. Then you read this:

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Meanwhile, in this period of player recruitment and contract negotiations, (Munster CEO Garrett) Fitzgerald revealed that Munster have "no major signings planned at the moment" despite the departure of Rua Tipoki, Freddie Pucciarello, Anthony Horgan, Frankie Sheahan and Brian Carney. "We will be promoting from within in most cases."[/b]

"No major signings" and "promoting from within". Are Munster making a serious mistake?

One of the above links mentions that both Stringer and Warwick are staying so halfbacks won't be a problem. The only confirmed departure at 9 or 10 is Mike Prendergast but Duncan Williams is more than ready to step up. Felix Jones is the only addition to the squad thus far and he'll push hard for the number 15 shirt.

Out wide they're losing two wingers in Horgan and Carney. Doug Howlett and Ian Dowling are good starting wingers while Ciaran O'Boyle has looked impressive in limited action. That's only three wingers in the squad though which leaves them woefully short. Nobody in their academy looks remotely close to stepping up.

In the centre Munster will be down to just three senior players - Earls, Mafi and Murphy. Scott Deasy has come on in leaps and bounds this season and could be ready to step up in limited action while Tom Gleeson has been around a while without breaking through.

In the backrow Munster should be okay. O'Sullivan is no major loss since he's constantly injured and they have Holland, O'Donnell and O'Mahoney developing nicely.

The loss of Melbourne from the 2nd row is easily covered by their 4 internationals and Dave Foley, their impressive academy member.

It's in the front row where Munster could have major problems if they don't recruit. Horan and Hayes are well into their 30s and neither have adequate backup. Hurley has gone stale and probably needs a change of scenery. Buckley has regressed. Tim Ryan is very raw. With Sheahan and Essex on the way out, they're down to two hookers, one of whom is an international and will miss a lot of games.

In my opinion, given the squad departures, unless Munster add an experienced versatile prop, a backup hooker, a big hitting centre and a speedy winger who they can coach up to standard, they'll be living dangerously next season.
 
It may be a matter of financing and borrowing, especially with payments on the new Thomond.

Or maybe they reckon there will be bargains from the premiership in a few months time? Or from the T14, if the French spending bandwagon crashes in to the ditch.
 
I am not worried. I have faith in the Fringe players, we will have 3 sets of props next season, even if options are a bit thin at hooker if Frankie leaves. Second row and back row not a problem with young lads like Donnacha Ryan knocking on the door very heavily as it is, and Coughlan, Ronan, Williams are more than adequate back row cover. At scrum half, if Duncan Williams can keep himself fit he is good enough to step up, Flyhalf is ok with Warwick and Manning as cover. At Fullback we have Hurley and Jones, and on the wing we have O'Boyle coming through. An injury to one of our centres could cause problems though, Tipoki should not be allowed leave.
 
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I am not worried. I have faith in the Fringe players, we will have 3 sets of props next season, even if options are a bit thin at hooker if Frankie leaves. Second row and back row not a problem with young lads like Donnacha Ryan knocking on the door very heavily as it is, and Coughlan, Ronan, Williams are more than adequate back row cover. At scrum half, if Duncan Williams can keep himself fit he is good enough to step up, Flyhalf is ok with Warwick and Manning as cover. At Fullback we have Hurley and Jones, and on the wing we have O'Boyle coming through. An injury to one of our centres could cause problems though, Tipoki should not be allowed leave.[/b]

As I see things, the squad changes won't affect the first team at all since, apart from Tipoki, all departures are merely squad players. What I'd worry about is the lack of depth there may be in the squad when injuries hit. Replacing 10 players with academy members is a tough task. It would be great for Munster and Irish rugby if Tony McGahan's gamble works. I think three or four squad additions are needed.
 
Dont see it as a problem. There will be a few fond farewells for the longer serving members but aside from Tipoki, there is no one leaving worth talking about.

Just to clarify, they said they will be promoting within in most cases. Not all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Mar 27 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Dont see it as a problem. There will be a few fond farewells for the longer serving members but aside from Tipoki, there is no one leaving worth talking about.

Just to clarify, they said they will be promoting within in most cases. Not all.[/b]
True but they also said they have "no major signings planned at the moment". I think they need a quality prop and a quality inside centre (both Mafi and Earls seem best suited to 13) along with a couple of backups (hooker and wing) who could be replaced with under the radar signings.
 
Wouldn't mind taking Cronin from Connacht as a back-up hooker, but I think he's better off developing at Connacht where he'll get game time.

Wing, Centre and Prop is what worries me. I know Murphy seems happy to play wing if needs (or Earls), so signing a top quality centre seems the best plan of action.

I have no idea what's going to happen at Prop, but hopefully something good!
 
Loosehead: Horan, Hurley ,(Dave) Ryan
Tigthead: Hayes, Buckley, (Timmy) Ryan

I'm not too worried, Mike Ross is also an option, I'm sure if he was guaranteed first XV rugby he would come back.
 
well Thornley seems to think it's on the cards and he's right more often than not.
 
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Dont see it as a problem. There will be a few fond farewells for the longer serving members but aside from Tipoki, there is no one leaving worth talking about.

Just to clarify, they said they will be promoting within in most cases. Not all.[/b]
True but they also said they have "no major signings planned at the moment". I think they need a quality prop and a quality inside centre (both Mafi and Earls seem best suited to 13) along with a couple of backups (hooker and wing) who could be replaced with under the radar signings.
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Mafi is a great 12 with his big hits for his size but again at least 1 centre is needed(maybe a big islander :D )
 

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