June International Test: New Zealand vs. Wales [1st Test] (11/06/2016)

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Will Mckenzie be released to the Chiefs for the game or will he be kept in camp?

He isn't even in the New Zealand squad, in fact i don't think he plays Rugby.

 

[Ka_Mate]

Will Mckenzie be released to the Chiefs for the game or will he be kept in camp?

I guess you mean Damien McKenzie. I felt he should have been released, I just can't see him featuring heavily in the All Black set up. You never know though. We might see Ben on the wing and Damo at full back after the test series is in the bag (3rd test).

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

I guess you mean Damien McKenzie. I felt he should have been released, I just can't see him featuring heavily in the All Black set up. You never know though. We might see Ben on the wing and Damo at full back after the test series is in the bag (3rd test).

I thought that with Cruden with the All Blacks it would be good if Damo got a game at 10 for the Chiefs.

 

[Ka_Mate]

I thought that with Cruden with the All Blacks it would be good if Damo got a game at 10 for the Chiefs.

By not releasing him for this fixture. I can only guess Shag wants him to soak up vital All Black camp atmosphere and tactically work on him and develop him.

 

[Larksea]

Beaver to captain, that's pretty awesome!

I don't expect too much from the chiefs though, its basically the last men standing once AB's and injured players are removed. Players making their chiefs debut and first appearances of the season. Chiefs are in the worst position of the NZ franchises for a midweek game having the most players out because of injury or AB commitments, and 1 player at the U20 WC as well.

Shame not seeing Hika Elliot starting, Hes one guy that will be really wanting to be part of the AB setup and would have a point to prove.

It makes sense for AB squad members to stay with the AB's. Not only is it important for them to continue to learn the AB's setup, methods & Culture but they are also an important part of training for the players that make up the match day squads.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Beaver to captain

There's only one Beaver in rugby, and he doesn't play Union for New Zealand.

 

[Larksea]

There's only one Beaver in rugby, and he doesn't play Union for New Zealand.

Err.... from our mans wiki page:

"Despite an international career that had not lived up to expectations, he played for the All Blacks from 2008 till 2011. Donald, aka 'The Beaver', kicked the winning penalty in the 2011 IRB Rugby World Cup Final for New Zealand.[7]"

and

"In honour of his contribution to winning the World Cup, his local rugby club in Waiuku has renamed their home ground to Beaver Park.[8]"

He also owns a pub named The Wolf and Beaver.

Or maybe you've seen the movie made about him?

Beaver's big kick draws in 361,500 TV viewers
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11307428

So what has your beaver done? Does he have a Rugby Ground or Pub named after him? Did he win a world Cup? Has a Movie been made about him?

no you say?? then GTFO!

 

[Five Meters Out]

Bet the people who give Barnes grief think Owens is a god amongst refs despite being shocking this year.

Making worse calls than any Barnes made today. (lol the Racing Tigers game being a prime example).

The main problem for simple rugby folk, is not the forward pass decision - right or wrong. It's that two top referees, seeing exactly the same thing, replayed multiple times, in slow motion, on a very large screen, could not agree on the call. That is a blight on the great game, pure and simple.

 

[nickdnz]

There's only one Beaver in rugby, and he doesn't play Union for New Zealand.

Err.... from our mans wiki page:

"Despite an international career that had not lived up to expectations, he played for the All Blacks from 2008 till 2011. Donald, aka 'The Beaver', kicked the winning penalty in the 2011 IRB Rugby World Cup Final for New Zealand.[7]"

and

"In honour of his contribution to winning the World Cup, his local rugby club in Waiuku has renamed their home ground to Beaver Park.[8]"

He also owns a pub named The Wolf and Beaver.

Or maybe you've seen the movie made about him?

Beaver's big kick draws in 361,500 TV viewers
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11307428

So what has your beaver done? Does he have a Rugby Ground or Pub named after him? Did he win a world Cup? Has a Movie been made about him?

no you say?? then GTFO!

Ohh now you're in trouble Olyy. You've inadvertently undermined Stephen Donald in front of his favorite aunt.

 

[Ludders93]

haha very good

 

[Rich Taff]

 

[TRF_Olyy]

no you say?? then GTFO!

I will literally fight you in the streets.
Menzies is a Catalans legend.

 

[Larksea]

the forward pass incident was an interesting one, I know I keep harping on about it but for me its a ego thing for Barnes, the TMO did his job. he watched the replay, judged it according to the rules of the game and deemed it a fair pass. But at the same time Barnes has watched on the big screen and said "no i don't like that its gone forward, I'm more important and I'm overruling you"

I think the IRB needs to clarify what happens in those situations. They generally work best when the on field ref leaves the call to the TMO and only intervenes to prevent a howler from being made or to discuss and clarify the actual rules.

This was a really strange scenario because usually what happens in scenarios like this is:
1 The onfield ref is not sure about the final pass and refers to the TMO
2 the TMO would review the replay and say the ball has gone forward
3 the ref to clarify the rules and correct the TMO. Has the ball come forward out of the hands or in the air, because if its gone back out of the hands it a good pass even if it drifts forward a bit in the air
4 the TMO and Ref agree that the ball drifted forward but it was passed back out of the hands. Decision is corrected and the pass is ruled as good, the try is awarded.

That is how we usually see these situations unfold, but what happened was the complete opposite. The TMO was experienced and knew the rules and how to apply them, and the on field ref made a hasty and incorrect decision to overturn the TMO without properly applying the actual relevant rules to the situation. Barnes did not allow a conversation about the flight of the ball in the air and out of the hands to happen. And that's why the wrong call was made.

This is getting picky because at the end of the day Crudens pass was good and it was the Ref that made the mistake. But Cruden should have just popped it to Fekitoa, not sure why he chose to pass to TJP who was wider and further ahead. Both options were a run in, but Fekitoa was in a better position - easier pass and it wouldn't have gone to the TMO at all. There were actually a few examples of that in this game from the AB's. Just passing to the wrong guy or wrong direction. But it is the kind of thing we see more in the first test of he season.

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I will literally fight you in the streets.
Menzies is a Catalans legend.

agreed, on one condition.

no touching of the hair or face.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

agreed, on one condition.

no touching of the hair or face.

My fighting style consists of solely kicks to the balls, so we're fine there

 

[Shaggy]

I will literally fight you in the streets.
Menzies is a Catalans legend.

Boys that a ridiculous argument that there can by only ONE beaver ... it's like saying there's only ONE Shag ... ummn gy

 

[austingtir]

Thought you said you would never reply to my posts after you said McCaw "accidentally" tripped that player to get yellow carded during the Argentina game. Even after the match McCaw admitted he did.

And who says ABs would have won the RWC without Carter, Read and Savea? ABs beat SA by 2 points (the difference Carter's drop goal at a crucial time when ABs were struggling), also in the final, an Carter drops a goal to stem the Wallabies come back and stop their momentum. Trust me I was at both games and in the final I was sitting next to a Wallaby fan whose words were - "that was class" when Carter dropped that goal. The fact is Carter's 100 caps plus experience and class showed he could judge the moment when to pull the trigger and execute it when nothing else was on. Sopoaga, despite being able to drop goals in Super rugby was not guaranteed to do the same based on 1 cap. And Read's leadership and experience in the team just cannot be underestimated.

The point is the ABs and their selectors won the RWC, not Kiwi fans like you, who just spout out their opinions on this board.

Sopoanga might have scored TWO drop goals and scored three tries for all we know. Fact is a past it Carter still owned every team in the world. Imagine if we'd played one of our young bucks....

As usual the blindman assumes to much......

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Sopoanga might have scored TWO drop goals and scored three tries for all we know. Fact is a past it Carter still owned every team in the world. Imagine if we'd played one of our young bucks....

As usual the blindman assumes to much......

"Might" have. You have no way of proving it. Again you miss the point and are trying to argue for the sake of it. Which is why you are one of the least respected Kiwi posters on this board.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Who doesn't like beavers.

 

[smartcooky]

The main problem for simple rugby folk, is not the forward pass decision - right or wrong. It's that two top referees, seeing exactly the same thing, replayed multiple times, in slow motion, on a very large screen, could not agree on the call. That is a blight on the great game, pure and simple.

THIS

The optics of this type of cock-up are less than ideal!

 

[dasNdanger]

Haven't been around in a while because I lost my rugby coverage here in the States, and not all the matches I want are on youtube (and many of the streaming sites are blocked in the US). However, I was just able to watch this match and it was awesome! I need to watch it again since I was at work and distracted at times, but just seeing the lads do their thing made me so very happy! Very pleased with Read as captain. Not happy about that 'forward' pass, but at the end of the day it didn't matter. And good to hear Marshy again. I miss the days when I could watch live games with you guys...