Jared Payne signs for Ulster

[TRF_Olyy]

Shane Geraghty...........

Coventry - that well known part of Ireland!
You're the ones who tried (unsuccessfully) to poach him when he was 15

 

[Peat]

Give over, Ireland would give their left bollock for a second prop that doesn't get annihilated every scrum

I'll set them up, you knock them in

*high five*

edit: Geraghty's pretty poo anyway.

 

[Logorrhea]

Wikipedia says he was in NZ Under 21s, but doesn't give the year ... a three year contract should set him up to come back to NZ and put himself in the running for the 2015 World Cup if he's interested

Of have him qualify for Ireland at the same time.

Robbie Diack qualifies for Ireland in a month or two so they have room for a new "project player". These guys (like Sykes for Leinster and Borlaise for Munster) are usually tied down for three year contracts.

Dont agree with it, would much prefer the rules were changed but as long as the likes of England and Wales are doing it, well we may as well do it ourselves.

Give over, Ireland would give their left bollock for a second prop that doesn't get annihilated every scrum

Do you really want to have this chat again Mr Timminsworth?

 

[durbutter]

I'd of thought the the talent would be more than strong enough up there without another Southern player like this. Put the money into a local youngster.

Thats the thing. As far as i can see Ulster have piles of excellent young backs coming through, as do Leinster. I really don't know why we insist on "project" players, especially when we dont need them, waste of everybody's time.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Not binding. We'd look like dicks if he was bound to NZ as he's the new project player. Poach ahoy.

Feicarsinn, when's the last time someone nicked one of Ireland's emerging talents? Other than Paul Doran-Jones... if you count him as a talent...

I just meant the practice of poaching players. I know we've had **** all stolen.

 

[UlsterRugby]

Jared Payne
Craig Gilroy
Nevin Spence
Paddy Wallace
Andrew Trimble
Ian Humphreys
Ruan Pienaar

Pedrie Wannenburg
Willie Faloon
Stephen Ferris
Johann Muller
Dan Tuohy
John Afoa
Rory Best
Tom Court

McAllister
Brady
Fitzpatrick
Barker
Diack
Marshall
Jackson
Cave

If Ulster can find themselves a decent reserve TH, Lock and Hooker they'll be a top outfit.

As an Ulster fan that line up is **** bank material!!!

 

[shiznit26]

easily fixed... just cap him with 5mins off the bench against fiji or samoa...

 

[Shaggy]

That's true, but I'm fairly certain age grade rugby doesn't count in terms of selection. I know there are quite a few exponents of U21 teams, playing in different national teams around the world.

It depends on whether the under 21's were NZ's designated second national side (as the under 20's are now), at the time Payne played for them. If the New Zealand A team was functioning then, then that may have been the second national side

 

[ranger]

It depends on whether the under 21's were NZ's designated second national side (as the under 20's are now), at the time Payne played for them. If the New Zealand A team was functioning then, then that may have been the second national side

Whaat? The under 20s aren't the designated second national side.. The JABs are now and always have been. Just because they don't have any games schedualed doesn't mean the cease to be the NZ A team..

National secondary schools and age grade rugby never counts.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I'm not convinced that Payne has been signed by Ulster with a view of playing for Ireland. Saying he's the +1 or project player is Ulster's way of getting around the NIQ limit in much the same way that Robbie Diack was the project player in the past.

 

[Peat]

I'm not convinced that Payne has been signed by Ulster with a view of playing for Ireland. Saying he's the +1 or project player is Ulster's way of getting around the NIQ limit in much the same way that Robbie Diack was the project player in the past.

This is true. He's been signed with the intention of playing for Ulster.

However - Payne might be thinking about some Ireland caps, and I don't think Ireland would hesitate too long about at least A capping him if he's performing at the requisite level when those three years at up, kiwi or no. And yes, I know Ireland has quite a bit of depth (and potentially tons) in the positions he plays in.

 

[monkeypigeon]

Whaat? The under 20s aren't the designated second national side.. The JABs are now and always have been. Just because they don't have any games schedualed doesn't mean the cease to be the NZ A team..

National secondary schools and age grade rugby never counts.

It does in Wales apparently.

 

[Shaggy]

It does in Wales apparently.

Exactly right ... each union gets to nominate which side will be the second international side, and in Wales it's the age grade side ... I thought that it was the same in NZ ... if not, no biggy/my bad

 

[ranger]

It does in Wales apparently.

Are you sure about that? The IRB rules stipulate that the 2nd team has to be the next senior XV a side national team. The under 20s are an age grade side so they can't be the next best senior side. If a country chooses not to have an "A" side then they can't nominate another team, they are merely chosing not to have a 2nd XV.

 

[monkeypigeon]

Are you sure about that? The IRB rules stipulate that the 2nd team has to be the next senior XV a side national team. The under 20s are an age grade side so they can't be the next best senior side. If a country chooses not to have an "A" side then they can't nominate another team, they are merely chosing not to have a 2nd XV.

I'll say now, I'm not an expert on this. But, there's an other thread in the magners league section. Connacht signed 2 younguns from one of the Welsh teams under the impression that they were elligeble to play for Ireland or Wales and only had underage caps for Wales and hence would not count as one of their non-Irish qualified...but the Welsh RFU claim that their under-21 is their designated second side.

I too think it sounds a bit iffy. But that's how it stands.

 

[Logorrhea]

Nahh thats Wales understanding of the rules I'm sure it'll be appealed.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Might find WRU did nothing wrong with Loxton and Jarvis. Wales since 2002 have not had an A-Side, the rules state the next senior side, which for Wales is the U20s. May well be an age group side but senior rugby begins at the age of 18 so really the U20 is Wales second side. Personally Id rather not see that and would rather see an A-Side for Wales.

 

[ranger]

Might find WRU did nothing wrong with Loxton and Jarvis. Wales since 2002 have not had an A-Side, the rules state the next senior side, which for Wales is the U20s. May well be an age group side but senior rugby begins at the age of 18 so really the U20 is Wales second side. Personally Id rather not see that and would rather see an A-Side for Wales.

The thing is, it doesn't say anywhere that a union is allowed to "nominate" who its second side is. If Wales doesn't draw any games for their A-side, they are choosing not to have a 2nd team, there is no mention of being able to choose a team to replace them.

Edit: Upon further reading, the precedent deeming that age grade rugby doesn't count as senior rugby has already been set twice in South Africa. The first instance was when Clyde Rathbone transfered to Australia after previously captaining SA Under 21, the Emerging Springboks weren't active at the time so they would by default become the 2nd national team under Wales's interpretation. His move to Australia was upheld.

The second was Brad Barritt, who was capped for England after not only playing for SA U21s, but also the Emerging Springboks. It was determined that neither of these teams counted as senior because of the age restriction factor. A senior team has to be within the grasp of every player in that country.

It looks like Wales might lose these players once Connacht appeals