Jacky Lorenzetti and the negative stance against Los Pumas

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The battle has begun like we all knew it would. Racing Metro is the first club to come out and say that there are to be implications against Argentine players now that they will be unavaliable during The Rugby Championship matches which will mean those players selected will be unavaliable for the first seven weeks of the Top 14 Orange and then after returning following the final match (vs Australia) on October 06 the Pumas players will then miss all of November. Racing have four Pumas - three are certanties for the tournament and the other a possibility. Juan Martín Hernández, Juan Imhoff and Alvaro Galindo will make the cut with Juan Orlandi a maybe. The club is likely to not have them full time until december.

Racing´s President Jacky Lorenzetti said (in French) "I am not going to pay for players that play part time and I don´t know if the Argentines will continue playing in France"

I am not surprized about this but one thing missing is South Africans with Frans Steyn also playing for Racing Metro and also likely to be missing for duty as may players from other sides such as Gerhard Mostert (Stade Français), Gurthro Steenkamp (Toulouse) Ricky Januarie (Lyon) and Bakkies Botha (Toulon) Not to mention Muller and Pieenar from Ulster and Smit of Saracens.

In any event, Montpellier and Pumas fullback, Lucas González Amorosino, said last week that he doubts most Pumas will be playing in France in the future. He thinks players will prefer to stay below the equator to play Super Rugby. The UAR also said last year that it is to centrally contract the senior players.

Anyhow below are the articles.....

In French: http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/test-match/2011/le-casse-tete-argentin_sto3036232/story.shtml

Officialisée le 8 novembre, la nouvelle ne peut évidemment qu'être applaudie. Le 18 août 2012, la sélection argentine signera son entrée officielle dans le tournoi des Four-nations, aux côtés de la Nouvelle-Zélande, de l'Australie et de l'Afrique du sud. Tout bénéfice pour le rugby argentin. Mais derrière cette nouveauté, de nombreux problèmes se profilent. Si à terme, la filière argentine devrait se tourner irrémédiablement vers le Super 15, concordance des calendriers oblige, les premières années risquent d'être le théâtre d'un sacré embouteillage.

Organisé entre août et octobre, le Four-nations 2012 couvrira en effet sept journées de Top 14. Ce à quoi il faut ajouter trois journées faisant doublon avec les tests d'automne, en novembre, et c'est près de la moitié du championnat français que les internationaux argentins pourraient manquer à compter de l'année prochaine.

Effort financier
Face à cette équation insolvable du calendrier, quelle attitude les clubs français vont-ils dès lors adopter ? "Je ne vais pas payer des joueurs qui jouent à mi-temps et je ne sais donc pas si les Argentins pourront continuer à jouer en France", s'avance par exemple Jacky Lorenzetti, président du Racing-Métro.

Au-delà du choix géographique, les Argentins devront également consentir un effort financier. Les provinces d'hémisphère sud ne peuvent effectivement pas s'aligner sur les salaires proposés en Europe...

Retrouvez ce lundi dans Midi Olympique un dossier complet sur le casse-tête argentin, avec un éclairage sur l'amateurisme de l'UAR, une interview de Felipe Contepomi et le XV des Pumas dans l'impasse...

In Spanish: http://www.canchallena.com/1425425-...y-una-postura-negativa-para-ceder-a-los-pumas

Mientras en La Plata Scioli, junto a Agustín Pichot, se reunían con Greg Peters, CEO del Sanzar, para anunciar la participación de los Pumas en el Rugby Championship 2012, en Europa algunos dirigentes ya piensan como defender sus equipos.

En una entrevista con Midi Olympique Jacky Lorenzetti, presidente de Racing Metro, se mostró inflexible a la cesión de jugadores para participar del campeonato que jugarán los Pumas. "No voy a pagar por jugadores que juegan a tiempo parcial y no sé si los argentinos seguirán jugando en Francia", disparó y generó un nuevo conflicto para el equipo argentino.

Hoy en día, Racing Metro cuenta con varios Pumas: Juani Hernández, Imhoff, Orlandi y Galindo. Las siete semanas que se perderán entre agosto y octubre al jugarse la nueva competencia, provoca un bache importante en una institución que para ese entonces estaría disputando las primeras fechas del Top 14.

A esto se suma que en noviembre, hay una ventana donde los clubes deberán ceder nuevamente a los jugadores, por lo que ellos deberán consensuar con sus equipos que, por el momento, ya dejaron su postura.

 

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Solution talked about today by Agustín Pichot and Mike Eagle (Chaiman of SANZAR)

http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com/2011/11/sanzar-authorities-and-uar-complete.html

Pichot

"Since four years ago we have been holding meetings with the presidents of the French and English clubs. Racing Metro´s President said he would consider hiring Argentine players in the future, while other clubs and the players have signed knowing the situation. (The likes of) Patricio Albacete, Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe and Marcos Ayerza (have all signed long term deals to stay in Europe). What protects the Argentine rugby is Article 9 as SANZAR requires to play with the best players. It says that clubs must release themselves or other players during 12 rounds, to play international matches. The intention is not to force anyone to play for the country, nor break their contracts with their clubs, but in the transition from Europe to the South, consider their breaks and economic contracts. "

Eagle

"We would like to establish the process for young players to be incorporated as soon as possible. I would like to participate in all competitions, even Super Rugby. One of the main topics of discussion was to ensure that the Pumas would have their best players, and that no problems would arise whether they were to play in the Southern Hemisphere or not. We are dedicated to having all the necessities to have the best possible team."

 

[ZeFrenchy]

I don't think it's a negative stance, it's just logical. The fact that a player will be absent for some time is a factor against hiring him. Obviously, argentine players will be still hired; Albacete or Fernandez Lobbe for shorter periods of time is better than not having thel at all (to name just a few), which is the case of Frans Steyn or Ruan Pienaar. Evidently, not every argentinean player is in that same spot, though.
Argentina in the 4N will cause at least one of these two: less argentinean players will be hired in Europe, or they will have to assume lower salaries. Think about it, would you buy a car that works only ten months a year? You would buy it only if it is very good, or if it is cheaper than the others. Or both.

 

[psychic duck]

To be honest, if the Super Rugby season hadn't been made so long the Pumas would be back by mid September