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Ireland v England, 10/02/13

I'd be worried that we only played against Wales for 45 minutes. That wont be near good enough this weekend.

To be honest, I don't think there was anything we could have done. Wales weren't going to sit down and take a beating for 80 minutes and I fully expected Wales to come out firing in the second half. I'm sure they got a belting at half time.
When they got their first try, I think it gave them more and more confidence and it started to get the crowd back into the game, and they all probably starting to think we could pull this back.
To be honest, at times I thought we coped with the pressure very well.


As for the England game, I'm not very confident - I think it could be an English win.
 
A thing has been made of Ireland delaying team announcement because of injuries... is it just me or are none of the injuries going to actually mpact upon the weekend except Earls? Seems like all the others had knocks or surface wounds. Do we know that D'arcy is going to be fit yet?
 
Its absolutely nothing to do with if I agree with it or not. Dismissing a huge lead and putting it down to Wales 'not showing up' is just being arrogant, and trying to make it look like Ireland didn't do anything.

& Henry I didn't see Jockstraps post.

I still don't see it as being arrogant. A poor opinion on his part not giving credit to the first 40 by Ireland.
 
Strong Welsh side?!

Their form player was left out, their second row stocks were scraping the barrel, and they started with a lot of guys who were only just back from injury due to paucity of options, all topped off with Rob Howley. Rees is a busted flush as well.

Besides, we have a Jim Telfer sealed mandate of Insufferable Arrogance to live up to. So there. In fact, saying our side will win isn't arrogant enough. There will be a 30 point manshaming and Joe Marler will finish the match with Mike Ross on a lead in a gimp mask.

You heard it here first.

Lions front row, Warburton, Faletau, is a decent pack. Weak second row yes - but their back line is pretty destructive. Phillips, Davies, Roberts, North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny? Right.

By the way, I never said the English were arrogant so I don't know why everyone's commenting like I've offended to whole of England - I was referring to his post, not the English in general.

A thing has been made of Ireland delaying team announcement because of injuries... is it just me or are none of the injuries going to actually mpact upon the weekend except Earls? Seems like all the others had knocks or surface wounds. Do we know that D'arcy is going to be fit yet?


"There were several injuries picked up by the Ireland squad following yesterday's 30-22 RBS 6 Nations win over Wales at the Millennium Stadium.
Ireland captain Jamie Heaslip suffered a cut to his leg but is expected to be available for training on Tuesday morning for the first squad session of the week.
Centre Gordon D'Arcy suffered a dead leg during the game in Cardiff and was replaced, but is recovering well and is expected to return to training later this week as well.

Brian O'Driscoll had several stitches inserted in a head wound, but will be available to train as will prop Mike Ross, who came off during the match due to severe calf cramp.

Full-back Rob Kearney reported stiffness in his back after the game and underwent a precautionary scan, which reported no injury and he will be available for training.

Keith Earls, meanwhile, hurt his shoulder late in the game and underwent a scan upon the squad's return to Dublin and will see a specialist later this week.

Peter O'Mahony took a bang to the head, but felt no-ill effects after the game and will follow the graded return to play protocols this week.

The announcement of the Ireland team and replacements to play England will take place on Friday afternoon in Carton House."
 
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Guess what Boys and Girls??? Foden has been released by England so Strettle gets another go. Best news the Irish have had all day!
 
Lions front row, Warburton, Faletau, is a decent pack. Weak second row yes - but their back line is pretty destructive. Phillips, Davies, Roberts, North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny? Right.

By the way, I never said the English were arrogant so I don't know why everyone's commenting like I've offended to whole of England - I was referring to his post, not the English in general.

The second half of my post might have better mildly tongue in cheek.

Rees and Jenkins were Lions a long time ago. They'd be nowhere near on current form. Warburton's been nowhere the player he has been for some time either. Faletau and Jones are the only two who really have business in a top international pack at the moment, although match fitness and a swing in form could change that dramatically.

As for the backline - yeah, decent outfit, although Roberts was also short of match fitness iirc. However, you could have Farr-Jones, Carter, Robinson, Horan, BOD, Lomu and Cullen and they'd still look a bunch of jokers behind a crap pack. Which for 40 odd minutes it was, which was no surprise considering the lack of sharpness. I stand by my assessment that was a poor Welsh side and can't see any problems with saying they made a lot mistakes, forced and otherwise, in the first half. Although, equally, England's grand resurgence has come in two home matches against a very tired All Blacks and a far from great Scotland side with no openside.

A moment of truth for both sides I think.

edit: Strettle :(

edit edit: Calling a post made by an Englishman saying England will win arrogant is very easy to read as labelling English people as arrogant, particularly without the further explanations. No biggie.
 
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Pease, tell me how I implied that the English are arrogant?

Because you're getting very defensive and worked up about it.

And (if we're going to be picky) you used the word 'like', as though you hear (or choose to hear) arrogant and dismissive tones often belittling the Irish by English posters, criticising him for saying so rather then if he were Welsh or French.

#justsayin
 
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Guess what Boys and Girls??? Foden has been released by England so Strettle gets another go. Best news the Irish have had all day!

Or that there's not much chance of Earls being fit where he'd most likely get utterly obliterated by Tuilagi if D'arcy can't play.
 
Oooh, the big one.

Right, my thoughts.

- From an Irish perspective:
--- The fitness of Ross and D'Arcy are crucial. It is quite obvious Keith Earls is simply not able to operate at this level. No shame in that, he's a good player, just not good enough.
--- If D'Arcy hadn't got injured, it is unlikely the move that led to Cuthbert's try would have worked out as it did, also Rory Best was very harshly sin-binned.
--- Despite playing half the 2nd half with only 14 men, Ireland only conceded 3 tries against a Welsh team that was battering on the door with sledgehammers for 35 odd minutes. 1 of those tries I assign direct blame on poor defense from a substitute at centre.
--- It is interesting that Ireland largely lost the stats contest with Wales, see here. I know I am sounding a bit like a broken record here... but I'd have Henry into 7 and SOB at 6. Ben Youngs lost the plot last season playing against Ulster at Ravenhill... a large part of that reason was slow ruck ball... due to Chris Henry. Slow English ruck ball down and their rather 1D attack (assuming Barrett/Tuilagi start - see below) will not have much space to work with.
--- Radge and Earls simply cannot be on the bench. They cannot be trusted to defend - imagine if BOD had got injured on Sat and ROG had to come on - we'd definitely have lost that game. IMO, the subs should be Ian Keatley and Luke Fitz - while the two men are probably not the absolute best backs in Ireland not in the first team (for instance, I'd prefer the Caveman at 13 over either or Trimble at 11/14 over either), they are very flexible in where they can play and are both good defenders.


- From an English perspective:
--- IMO, a midfield of Barrett and Tuilagi coupled with Farrell at 10 is too one-dimensional. The Irish defense largely withstood a Jamie Roberts/JJV Davies/George North/Alex Curthbert back line, with 14 men. Is it unreasonable to see that English midfield getting little joy trucking it up the middle?
--- A midfield of 36 and Tuilagi would offer much more invention on the ball, but you do have to fear for the old masters manipulating 36 out of position in defence.
--- While I have great faith in Craig Gilroy's kicking game, it was consistently 5 yards too long on Saturday, a possible target for aerial bombardment?
--- As hinted at above, quick ruck ball is crucial (as ever!), but even more so if you are unlikely to move the ball much beyond the 13 channel. The English kept the Scots at bay... but Kelly Brown, although a good big unit, is no Ross Rennie is no SOB/Chris Henry on the ground. Big game needed from Chris Robshaw, but so far, he has proven the doubters largely wrong.



I think the result will hinge on the fitness of Ross and D'Arcy - because if Ross isn't fit, our scrum is decimated and if D'Arcy isn't fit, either Radge will come into 10 or Earls* at 13, significantly weakening our team defensively (and offensively with Radge). Those two fit, Ireland by 1+. Either of them not fit, and England by 10+.

*Assuming Keet himself is actually fit.
 
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Because you're getting very defensive and worked up about it.

And (if we're going to be picky) you used the word 'like', as though you hear (or choose to hear) arrogant and dismissive tones often belittling the Irish by English posters, criticising him for saying so rather then if he were Welsh or French.

#justsayin

Well I've just had 4 English people reply to me within the space of 10 minutes, and I'm replying so I'm hardly getting worked up about it. Of course I'm going to be defensive if I'm being accused of thinking all English are arrogant, which I never said.
No, arrogance - not arrogance by English people specifically. It just so happens the poster was English, I would have said the same thing if it was someone from any other nation.
I think you're reading into this too much mate, I'm telling you now that I didn't imply that - you must all be very paranoid if you think that.
 
I think the English are arrogant.... Look at them thinking they can actually come to Dublin and win against greats such as BOD, Sexton and Kearney, fools. Pah, this can hardly be considered a game this is just the start of Ireland's parade to the grandslam.
 
I think the English are arrogant.... Look at them thinking they can actually come to Dublin and win against greats such as BOD, Sexton and Kearney, fools. Pah, this can hardly be considered a game this is just the start of Ireland's parade to the grandslam.

I wish I could somehow like this or something.
 
Apparently, having a view on this Forum, if you are English, is, according to a few, by definition, arrogance. That is, in my view, an offensive and tired prejudice. I'm quite sure people who have that absurd irrational reaction are in a small minority.
Also, and this is quite another point, some people seem to think that expressing a view that the side you support will win is, by definition, biased. There might be more truth in that. However, as a matter of fact, I still say that England will win because, without going into detail, they are an emerging side and Ireland, I believe are a side on the wane. Now if that's biased, it's unconscious. It may well be wrong however. A prediction is obviously just that and what actually happens on Sunday is a matter of conjecture until then. I am sure that most of us are looking forward with great excitement to what might prove to be the most crucial game of the Six Nations this year.
If my prediction as to the result proves to be hopelessly wrong (and that won't leave me completely amazed) I shall regret it but if it's a great game, I'll enjoy it nevertheless, as all true rugby lovers will. It's a battle to the death and then we all adjourn to the bar and, I hope, celebrate another fine match comparable to the rugby feast we've had so far in this year's competition.
 
Trash talk time. Oh, NSFW by the by.

 
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Apparently, having a view on this Forum, if you are English, is, according to a few, by definition, arrogance. That is, in my view, an offensive and tired prejudice. I'm quite sure people who have that absurd irrational reaction are in a small minority.
Also, and this is quite another point, some people seem to think that expressing a view that the side you support will win is, by definition, biased. There might be more truth in that. However, as a matter of fact, I still say that England will win because, without going into detail, they are an emerging side and Ireland, I believe are a side on the wane. Now if that's biased, it's unconscious. It may well be wrong however. A prediction is obviously just that and what actually happens on Sunday is a matter of conjecture until then. I am sure that most of us are looking forward with great excitement to what might prove to be the most crucial game of the Six Nations this year.
If my prediction as to the result proves to be hopelessly wrong (and that won't leave me completely amazed) I shall regret it but if it's a great game, I'll enjoy it nevertheless, as all true rugby lovers will. It's a battle to the death and then we all adjourn to the bar and, I hope, celebrate another fine match comparable to the rugby feast we've had so far in this year's competition.
We haven't been good at all in four years. What would we be waning from?
 
See that star in the bottom left corner? You can give rep to people using that.

"Star" and "bottom" are 2 words which cmac certainly does point is peers towards whenever he's seeking some cheeky approval.

Oh wait, that's cyRil. My bad.
 
England will win by 10-20.
Ireland has a side of powder puff "forwards" and a backline with talentless kids and clapped out old donkeys.
Yawn.

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