Interesting figures

[incredible_holc]

if the nrl were serious they would try to contract karmichal hunt for life. Its hard to believe the kid is only 17, thats the same age as me!!!!!!!!!!!
he will be one of the greatest players in the hisory of rugby league and should be in no way aloud to go to ru

 

[Dragon Fanatic]

Originally posted by NZL fan+Jul 21 2004, 11:06 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NZL fan @ Jul 21 2004, 11:06 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 17 2004, 06:32 PM
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@Jul 13 2004, 01:36 PM
Wellington super 12 home attendance figures (2004): averaging 27,256.

Wellington NPC home attendance figures (2003): averaging 14,975 (with no all blacks....)

I think someone has very "selectively" made that attendance list up...........

This endless clap trap about how Super 12 isn't a club comp. and shouldn't be compared to NRL is just bulls..t. Club rugby in New Zealand is a totally different level of play compared to club rugby league in Aussie - same name but different level of competition. The levels, and their direct competition/level in the other codes are roughly as follows....

International Union = International league and State of origin (most players rate  SOO as more important then international play).

Super 12 = Super league/NRL

NPC/Currie cup = Queensland cup, Bartercard etc

Club rugby union = minor Aussie league, Auckland club comp etc.

Now if we can all agree to that then i think you'll find that Rugby union comes out on top....................

Mate you are a fool.
Just because something is of a different level of play doesnt mean they arent comparable. Using your line of thought International League shouldn't be compared to the International Union. You sir are a fool.. How you can compare the NSW Waratahs to the South Sydney Rabbitohs is laughable where you can compare Randwick to South Sydney because they represent the same district and area of land. It's what they are representing not the level play.

International Union-International League
S12-State Of Origin
NPC,Tooheys New Cup- NRL

Thats it face it champ. And all you Rugby folk that claim how good International Union is compared to League. Nobody is arguing that International League is superior because its not but don't forget that Union has been around a lot longer than League because League is reletaively new to the world not even being 100 years old. So how you can expect League to take a stronghold in that time in the worldwide stage over the Traditional games of Soccer and Rugby Union is stupid. So when you think about it how League dominates NSW and QLD and Northern England and making huge progress in other parts of the world Union doesnt have anything on League.

Your post has actually proved all along who the idiot of this thread is.........and because you might be a little slow.........it is YOU!!

For one the Super 12 has always competed directly against NRL, always has always will.......... Obviously you were not able to fully grasp what my thread is about, so let me explain it very slowly and easily as possible to you.......

Again you have decided that because state of origin is "state against state" then because super 12 involves Aussie state sides as well then those two comps should be looked upon as equivalents in each code. WRONG! This needs to be put out of your thick head. READ: Rugby Union has more levels of competition then rugby league, therefore in the lower levels you can not compare a New Zealand NPC team with a NRL club side. League players don't change codes to play NPC or for Aussie club sides, they change to play Super 12, and from there International rugby.

Along with International league tests, state of origin is the highest level of competition in the code (rated even higher then International league by most). To compare fairly you then compare it to the highest level of competition in rugby union - ie. International test footy (still with me???)

The next level of competition therefore in each code is Super 12/English clubs and NRL/Superleague. Forget the fact the super 12 sides are called "franchises" and the league teams "clubs", its the level of competition that is the same (now nod your head up and down if you understand). To further prove this point the Warriors, storm, Raiders and Brisbane broncos are practically "state/city" sides under the guise of "club" teams. Nowdays the NRL at best is a mixture of state, city and traditional club teams. The warriors and Auckland blues are direct competitors for fans..........
However the lamest part of your post is the end where you basically say 90 odd years hasn't been enough time for league to grow in popularity..........give me a break.......and how it is "making huge progress in other parts of the world" - where exactly again????

In future pull your head out of your neather regions, and provide some informed debate please.......... [/b]

A few things
1.For one the Super 12 has always competed directly against NRL, always has always will..........
Thats why Super 12 starts February and ends April. NRL Starts late March finishes in september a full season not a half arsed attempt at a **** poor money driven competiton 3-4 weeks they are on at the same time hardly competing champ. Whereas OOOOHHHH SHOCK SHOCK the Club Rugby competitons start in March/April and goes to Octopber/September, thats more like it mate.
ME- 1 You-0

2.WRONG! This needs to be put out of your thick head. READ: Rugby Union has more levels of competition then rugby league, therefore in the lower levels you can not compare a New Zealand NPC team with a NRL club side. League players don't change codes to play NPC or for Aussie club sides, they change to play Super 12, and from there International rugby.
Of course League players don't change to play club rugby because it is **** and they are bought by the ARU to play for their Wallabies, No good League player goes over to play Super 12 mate only for the Wallabies but they do end up playing Club Rugby e.g. Matty Rogers plays for Southern Districts down here. Even though club Rugby is **** doesnt mean they are not comparable. Newsflash mate there is more elite levels of League than Union and a higher skill base because we care about our club systems Harold Matthews, SG Ball, Jersey Flegg, Premier League, Jim Beam Cup,QLD Cup, CRL Groups and then NRL and all these teams dominater the shot out of anything Rugby Union has to throw at them you would have thought the 2-300 years headstart Union had, things would have been different.
ME 2- You-0

3.Along with International league tests, state of origin is the highest level of competition in the code (rated even higher then International league by most). To compare fairly you then compare it to the highest level of competition in rugby union - ie. International test footy (still with me???)
You are talking about level of play I am talking of how it is. Its how it is mate live with it.
ME-3 YOU-0

4.Warriors, storm, Raiders and Brisbane broncos are practically "state/city" sides under the guise of "club"
HAHA. Warriors represent Auckland just like its NPC equivalent whereas the Blues are a "Franchise" run off the NPC side. Raiders represent Canberra a city of 300,000 people. There are more than that in the St George area Canberra mate isn't very big. Brisbane a state team? Heard of North Qld Cowboys mate. Ignorant fool.
ME-4 You-0

5.However the lamest part of your post is the end where you basically say 90 odd years hasn't been enough time for league to grow in popularity..........give me a break.......and how it is "making huge progress in other parts of the world" - where exactly again????
Singapore
USA
Ireland,
Scotland
France
Fiji
PNG
Canada
Lebanon
Moldova
South Africa
Russia
Malta

Enough??? Sure it's not as big as Union but that 2-300 year start really did seem to help.
Me-5 You-0!

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

if the nrl were serious they would try to contract karmichal hunt for life. Its hard to believe the kid is only 17, thats the same age as me!!!!!!!!!!!
he will be one of the greatest players in the hisory of rugby league and should be in no way aloud to go to ru[/b]

He's played both rugby and league for the past five years so I don't see why not.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 23 2004, 08:40 PM
2.WRONG! This needs to be put out of your thick head. READ: Rugby Union has more levels of competition then rugby league, therefore in the lower levels you can not compare a New Zealand NPC team with a NRL club side. League players don't change codes to play NPC or for Aussie club sides, they change to play Super 12, and from there International rugby.
Even though club Rugby is **** doesnt mean they are not comparable. Newsflash mate there is more elite levels of League than Union and a higher skill base because we care about our club systems Harold Matthews, SG Ball, Jersey Flegg, Premier League, Jim Beam Cup,QLD Cup, CRL Groups and then NRL and all these teams dominater the shot out of anything Rugby Union has to throw at them.

The Sydney and Brisbane rugby competitions are just as good as the Queensland Cup and New South Wales competition as far as 'skill base' goes. And you have to remember that this is only in Australia, there are hundreds of elite level rugby union competitions that would better then rival anything that Australian rugby league has to offer. Half of those competitions you mentioned I havn't even heard of and the only rugby league premier league comp that matters up here is the Queensland Cup.

 

[wigan_rlfc]

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 23 2004, 09:40 AM
Singapore
USA
Ireland,
Scotland
France
Fiji
PNG
Canada
Lebanon
Moldova
South Africa
Russia
Malta

Two places that you forgot to mention:
1.Australia
2.New Zealand

 

[Ripper]

New Zealand?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If League is as strong as you say it is how come no Wellington Public Schools have Rugby League Teams (That was in 2001, not sure if its changed or not)

How come the Bartercard Cup gets beaten by the Soccer in terms of Interest and Attendance?

 

[captainamerica]

Originally posted by wigan_rlfc+Jul 23 2004, 07:00 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wigan_rlfc @ Jul 23 2004, 07:00 AM)</div>

Originally posted by captainamerica@Jul 22 2004, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by St_Helens_RLFC@Jul 22 2004, 04:24 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Canadian_Rugby_Guy

@Jul 21 2004, 02:01 PM
Rugby League behaviour sounds like American football players. They're getting paid so much they can't think of anything else except talking like pimpin rappers. I'm not sure Rugby League players talk like rappers, but basically the only reason these guys go to university is to practice playing football. I'm sure there are idiots in every sport. Although more in some sports than others.

Where did that come from?

It came from the heart, Saints. From the sinful, beating heart.

And don't deny it. I've been up North and I've seen your League players on the streets wearing flatcaps and bling bling, saying things like: Gimme owt money, lass, fer't shizzle.

A sad state of affairs.

Flat caps in the north are like this [/b]

Exactly. He's the worst offender. Look at his face, he's saying, "Now where's me bling buggered off to?"

 

[Ripper]

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic+Jul 23 2004, 08:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dragon Fanatic @ Jul 23 2004, 08:40 PM)</div>

Originally posted by NZL fan@Jul 21 2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 17 2004, 06:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-NZL fan

@Jul 13 2004, 01:36 PM
Wellington super 12 home attendance figures (2004): averaging 27,256.

Wellington NPC home attendance figures (2003): averaging 14,975 (with no all blacks....)

I think someone has very "selectively" made that attendance list up...........

This endless clap trap about how Super 12 isn't a club comp. and shouldn't be compared to NRL is just bulls..t. Club rugby in New Zealand is a totally different level of play compared to club rugby league in Aussie - same name but different level of competition. The levels, and their direct competition/level in the other codes are roughly as follows....

International Union = International league and State of origin (most players rate   SOO as more important then international play).

Super 12 = Super league/NRL

NPC/Currie cup = Queensland cup, Bartercard etc

Club rugby union = minor Aussie league, Auckland club comp etc.

Now if we can all agree to that then i think you'll find that Rugby union comes out on top....................

Mate you are a fool.
Just because something is of a different level of play doesnt mean they arent comparable. Using your line of thought International League shouldn't be compared to the International Union. You sir are a fool.. How you can compare the NSW Waratahs to the South Sydney Rabbitohs is laughable where you can compare Randwick to South Sydney because they represent the same district and area of land. It's what they are representing not the level play.

International Union-International League
S12-State Of Origin
NPC,Tooheys New Cup- NRL

Thats it face it champ. And all you Rugby folk that claim how good International Union is compared to League. Nobody is arguing that International League is superior because its not but don't forget that Union has been around a lot longer than League because League is reletaively new to the world not even being 100 years old. So how you can expect League to take a stronghold in that time in the worldwide stage over the Traditional games of Soccer and Rugby Union is stupid. So when you think about it how League dominates NSW and QLD and Northern England and making huge progress in other parts of the world Union doesnt have anything on League.

Your post has actually proved all along who the idiot of this thread is.........and because you might be a little slow.........it is YOU!!

For one the Super 12 has always competed directly against NRL, always has always will.......... Obviously you were not able to fully grasp what my thread is about, so let me explain it very slowly and easily as possible to you.......

Again you have decided that because state of origin is "state against state" then because super 12 involves Aussie state sides as well then those two comps should be looked upon as equivalents in each code. WRONG! This needs to be put out of your thick head. READ: Rugby Union has more levels of competition then rugby league, therefore in the lower levels you can not compare a New Zealand NPC team with a NRL club side. League players don't change codes to play NPC or for Aussie club sides, they change to play Super 12, and from there International rugby.

Along with International league tests, state of origin is the highest level of competition in the code (rated even higher then International league by most). To compare fairly you then compare it to the highest level of competition in rugby union - ie. International test footy (still with me???)

The next level of competition therefore in each code is Super 12/English clubs and NRL/Superleague. Forget the fact the super 12 sides are called "franchises" and the league teams "clubs", its the level of competition that is the same (now nod your head up and down if you understand). To further prove this point the Warriors, storm, Raiders and Brisbane broncos are practically "state/city" sides under the guise of "club" teams. Nowdays the NRL at best is a mixture of state, city and traditional club teams. The warriors and Auckland blues are direct competitors for fans..........
However the lamest part of your post is the end where you basically say 90 odd years hasn't been enough time for league to grow in popularity..........give me a break.......and how it is "making huge progress in other parts of the world" - where exactly again????

In future pull your head out of your neather regions, and provide some informed debate please..........

A few things
1.For one the Super 12 has always competed directly against NRL, always has always will..........
Thats why Super 12 starts February and ends April. NRL Starts late March finishes in september a full season not a half arsed attempt at a **** poor money driven competiton 3-4 weeks they are on at the same time hardly competing champ. Whereas OOOOHHHH SHOCK SHOCK the Club Rugby competitons start in March/April and goes to Octopber/September, thats more like it mate.
ME- 1 You-0

2.WRONG! This needs to be put out of your thick head. READ: Rugby Union has more levels of competition then rugby league, therefore in the lower levels you can not compare a New Zealand NPC team with a NRL club side. League players don't change codes to play NPC or for Aussie club sides, they change to play Super 12, and from there International rugby.
Of course League players don't change to play club rugby because it is **** and they are bought by the ARU to play for their Wallabies, No good League player goes over to play Super 12 mate only for the Wallabies but they do end up playing Club Rugby e.g. Matty Rogers plays for Southern Districts down here. Even though club Rugby is **** doesnt mean they are not comparable. Newsflash mate there is more elite levels of League than Union and a higher skill base because we care about our club systems Harold Matthews, SG Ball, Jersey Flegg, Premier League, Jim Beam Cup,QLD Cup, CRL Groups and then NRL and all these teams dominater the shot out of anything Rugby Union has to throw at them you would have thought the 2-300 years headstart Union had, things would have been different.
ME 2- You-0

3.Along with International league tests, state of origin is the highest level of competition in the code (rated even higher then International league by most). To compare fairly you then compare it to the highest level of competition in rugby union - ie. International test footy (still with me???)
You are talking about level of play I am talking of how it is. Its how it is mate live with it.
ME-3 YOU-0

4.Warriors, storm, Raiders and Brisbane broncos are practically "state/city" sides under the guise of "club"
HAHA. Warriors represent Auckland just like its NPC equivalent whereas the Blues are a "Franchise" run off the NPC side. Raiders represent Canberra a city of 300,000 people. There are more than that in the St George area Canberra mate isn't very big. Brisbane a state team? Heard of North Qld Cowboys mate. Ignorant fool.
ME-4 You-0

5.However the lamest part of your post is the end where you basically say 90 odd years hasn't been enough time for league to grow in popularity..........give me a break.......and how it is "making huge progress in other parts of the world" - where exactly again????
Singapore
USA
Ireland,
Scotland
France
Fiji
PNG
Canada
Lebanon
Moldova
South Africa
Russia
Malta

Enough??? Sure it's not as big as Union but that 2-300 year start really did seem to help.
Me-5 You-0! [/b]

Im starting too like you now DF.

Your shooting down everything Wigans tried to convince us of.

and in those list of countries how many is league more popular in?

Definatly not Sth Africa, France, USA, Canada, Fiji, Ireland, Scotland.

Ill give you Russia, Moldova and Malta... and PNG - Although being the national sport of some 3rd world shithole is nothing too be proud of

 

[captainamerica]

Originally posted by Dragon Fanatic@Jul 23 2004, 08:40 PM
Sure it's not as big as Union but that 2-300 year start really did seem to help.
Me-5 You-0!

200 - 300 years of spreading Union?

The great split was in 1895. Before that, it was essentially the same sport (albeit with variations for a time).

CaptainAmerica: 1895; Dragon Fanatic: 5; NZL Fan: 0

 

[Canadian_Rugby_Guy]

I don't know why we keep heading back to this, we know that Union is more widespread internationally then League, it seems to me we're discussing which one is the better code.

 

[incredible_holc]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

Ill give you Russia, Moldova and Malta... and PNG - Although being the national sport of some 3rd world shithole is nothing too be proud of [/b]

you lot always claim nz and wales.

also league is no longer played in moldova ever since its break away from the ussr.

 

[Wally]

New Zealand and Wales arn't third world shitholes though. I'm not saying that PNG is mind you, just that New Zealand and Wales arn't.

 

[Dragon Fanatic]

Captain America. What are you going on about. There was Rugby Union and League was not devised until 1895 and Union was around a lot longer than that. And that list I was talking about where League is spreading and comps are up and running, of course it is not the more popular sport Union as I explained has been around for 2-300 years earlier than League.

 

[incredible_holc]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>

New Zealand and Wales arn't third world shitholes though. I'm not saying that PNG is mind you, just that New Zealand and Wales arn't[/b]

oh but thats your opinion

how rugby union spread

union was the sport of choice for the wealthy elites who held power in great britains colonies at the turn of the century and beyond. This is how it spread, well ru and cricket. If they were working class northerners rugby league would be much more widespread.

 

[wigan_rlfc]

Originally posted by Ripper@Jul 23 2004, 09:56 PM
New Zealand?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If League is as strong as you say it is how come no Wellington Public Schools have Rugby League Teams (That was in 2001, not sure if its changed or not)

How come the Bartercard Cup gets beaten by the Soccer in terms of Interest and Attendance?

I don't think that league is played in public schools anywhere.

 

[St Helens RLFC]

Originally posted by Wally@Jul 24 2004, 07:18 PM
Wales isn't a third world shithole though.

Have you ever been to Wales Wally?

Do and it will change your mind about that statement!

 

[Canadian_Rugby_Guy]

Originally posted by St_Helens_RLFC+Jul 25 2004, 12:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St_Helens_RLFC @ Jul 25 2004, 12:30 AM)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-Wally

@Jul 24 2004, 07:18 PM
Wales isn't a third world shithole though.

Have you ever been to Wales Wally?

Do and it will change your mind about that statement! [/b]

Now is that a spiteful comment or is it true?

 

[St Helens RLFC]

It's a ghastly place, apart from Cardiff!

 

[Ripper]

Originally posted by wigan_rlfc+Jul 24 2004, 11:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wigan_rlfc @ Jul 24 2004, 11:18 PM)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper

@Jul 23 2004, 09:56 PM
New Zealand?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If League is as strong as you say it is how come no Wellington Public Schools have Rugby League Teams (That was in 2001, not sure if its changed or not)

How come the Bartercard Cup gets beaten by the Soccer in terms of Interest and Attendance?

I don't think that league is played in public schools anywhere. [/b]

Our School systems are different to yours.

Private Schools = The Flash Schools where you have to pay 10 grand a year to just get in

Public Schools = Government Funded

In England I believe its the other way around

 

[Ripper]

Originally posted by Wally@Jul 24 2004, 07:18 PM
New Zealand and Wales arn't third world shitholes though. I'm not saying that PNG is mind you, just that New Zealand and Wales arn't.

I was only talking about PNG