• Help Support The Rugby Forum :

Hurricanes 2013

Helmy

Academy Player
Joined
Aug 25, 2011
Messages
192
Country Flag
New Zealand
Club or Nation
Taranaki
Backs: Andre Taylor, Cory Jane, Julian Savea, Matt Proctor, Alapati Leuia, Conrad Smith, Rey Lee-Lo, Tim Bateman, James Marshall, Beauden Barrett, Tusi Pisi, TJ Perenara, Chris Smylie, Samisoni Fisilau
Forwards: Victor Vito, Brad Shields, Ardie Savea, Jack Lam, Karl Lowe, Faifili Levave, Blade Thomson, Mark Reddish, Jeremy Thrush, James Broadhurst, Jason Eaton, Ben Franks, Ben May, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Reggie Goodes, Eric Sione, Dane Coles, Motu Matu'u.

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/15261856/hammett-wants-more-rounded-hurricanes/


Nothing too exciting, but I expect this squad to make the finals this time around.
 
Ben Franks and Ardie Savea are worth talking about. Franks being a genuine world class Prop and Savea being the hottest thing out of ITM cup 2012. Both New to the canes in 2012.

Big Question is where will Savea play?

From a selfish national team perspective I'd like to see Savea play 12. With SBW overseas and Nonu coming to the end of his carrier 12 is a position someone can make an impact on and be elevated to the All Blacks. Most other positions have a pretty clear Queue of talent.
 
Ben Franks and Ardie Savea are worth talking about. Franks being a genuine world class Prop and Savea being the hottest thing out of ITM cup 2012. Both New to the canes in 2012.

Big Question is where will Savea play?

From a selfish national team perspective I'd like to see Savea play 12. With SBW overseas and Nonu coming to the end of his carrier 12 is a position someone can make an impact on and be elevated to the All Blacks. Most other positions have a pretty clear Queue of talent.
I've actually thought this myself. Wouldn't be a terrible idea.

But he'd have to considerably improve his defence (positioning and marking that is - not so much tackling as he's pretty good in that department) and distribution.
 
Not sure I see him as a 12. He's reasonably quick (especially for a loose forward), but his distribution skills aren't amazing. He's played a lot at centre, but I think he sees himself as a loose forward. Remembr at 18 years old, he's ganna most likely put on a lot more size.

No real suprises in the squad for me. Was actually disapointed we didn't snap up a few other players. Why no Kurt Baker? Gillies Kaka? Why didn't we secure Jamison Gibson-Park or Waisake Naholo? How come no one pinched Sherwin Stowers?! The Canes always seem to let players slip through their fingers.

Still pretty happy with the final squad. With any luck it'll make the playoffs. Certainly have raised expectations have raised expectations after their performance last season.
 
Stowers and Baker didn't make a SR franchise??!
 
How did they not pick Baker ahead of Proctor, Lee-Lo and Marshall..?!

Lee-Lo especially. Proctor is decent enough and is still very young so if we lost him I would be a bit miffed (although I don't think he's as good as he's hyped up to be). Marshall is kinda needed as we need a bit of depth in case of an injury to Barrett or Bateman. But Lee-Lo? He has been good for Counties but I'd take Baker over him any day of the week.
 
True that. Never really considered Savea as a 2nd 5 but now that I think about it, he could be a lot closer to the SBW mould than any other 2nd 5 in the country right now.

I like this team though, looking forward to next season. Season passes already sorted.


Twitter -> @fredliki holla at ya boy
 
Does anyone have stats for this ITM Cup season? I'm yet to see any stats backing up Savea's potential as a loose forward - though he does look great in open space.
 
Not sure I see him as a 12. He's reasonably quick (especially for a loose forward), but his distribution skills aren't amazing. He's played a lot at centre, but I think he sees himself as a loose forward. Remembr at 18 years old, he's ganna most likely put on a lot more size.

No real suprises in the squad for me. Was actually disapointed we didn't snap up a few other players. Why no Kurt Baker? Gillies Kaka? Why didn't we secure Jamison Gibson-Park or Waisake Naholo? How come no one pinched Sherwin Stowers?! The Canes always seem to let players slip through their fingers.

Still pretty happy with the final squad. With any luck it'll make the playoffs. Certainly have raised expectations have raised expectations after their performance last season.

Yeah we also should have signed up Woodward too. Our back depth is even worse than last season which is disappointing. We were lucky with injuries last season but probably won't be this year. The forwards look a lot better and we should be pushing for the playoffs this year. Out squad could have been a lot better though.
 
Disappointed for Baker, think he might head overseas now.
 
Some good signings by the Canes......along with some not so good signings ;)

The front row should be pretty good - May was good last season, Franks is a great addition, Toomaga-Allen dominated during the ITM Cup, while Goodes and Sione look to have a lot of talent. Coles should come back from the AB's a better player, while Matu'u offers a great impact option from the bench.

The locks are as predicted, but I'm slightly surprised that the let Filipo (who had a very good season for Wellington) slip out of their grasp. Reddish is a solid contributor, but I would have thought they could have used this spot to develop a young lock (someone like Joe Latta). There are plenty of options in the loose-forwards - I'm not yet sure what Blade Thomson's best position is but he will be a useful addition to the squad with his versatility.

As for the halves options.... hmmmmm. Perenara and Barrett is a class combination, but I'm not sure about some of the other picks! The Canes predictably missed out on Gibson-Park - indeed I remember some knowledgable poster stating this a month ago:
Someone I think they should genuinely consider is young Taranaki halfback Jamison Gibson-Park, who looks a real talent. I'm sure the Canes will ignore him though (as he isn't from Wellington), then Nick will get all fired up when the Highlanders/Crusaders "poach" him ;) .
Smylie was a good player 5 years ago, but hasn't really done anything for 5 years, while Fisilau's inclusion is sure to raise a few eyebrows. He is a massive halfback, and he has lost a lot of weight this year which seems to have really improved his ability to get around the park (previously he would literally only make it to 50% of the breakdowns), and he has a very good skill-set for such a big man. In many ways he reminds me of Piri Weepu - he can be a bit slow to get the ball out, but he is a genuine playmaking halfback and things can happen when he gets the ball. It will be interested to see how he goes this season.

I'm really not sure what to make of the halves options. For me Tim Bateman is probably the second best 10 in the squad (though he will likely be starting at 12), but the issue with playing him at 10 is you have no goal-kicker. You have the same problem when James Marshall is selected at 10, and for that reason I would have struggled to find room for him in the squad (though I do like his utility value). Finally, I'm not sure about bringing Pisi back either - he was barely used last season, and if recall correctly he is hardly the most accurate goal-kicker either....

I'm slightly surprised to see neither Hayward or Buckman, but I don't think either warranted a spot. Lee-Lo should do a solid job in the midfield if required, but I still think they should have offered Emery a contract. No real surprises out-wide. The starting back three of Savea, Jane, and Taylor is class, while I was very impressed with Leuia during the ITM Cup (after not really rating him previously). I'm glad the Canes managed to sign Proctor - he is not the finished product yet, but he has a lot of talent. Like many others I'm very surprised that Kurt Baker didn't warrant inclusion in any Super Rugby squad, and I think the Canes could have found room for another outside back (whether it be him or Stowers/Lam/Nemani etc). Given the makeup of the squad it seems strange that the showed no interest in Jason Woodward - given they have a number of 10's that can't kick goals I would have thought a quality goal-kicking wing/fullback would have been a real asset! Likewise I think they should have looked at someone like Trent Renata with his ability to play 15 and 10, and kick goals at a good percentage.

If the squad can stay fit they certainly have a good chance of making the playoffs, but the lack of depth means if they have a few injuries I think they will struggle to get that far...
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Latest posts

Top