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Chistera

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Our crushing defeat against New-Zealand calls for a complete upheaval of French rugby, way beyond who's appointed coach and who's called up to the French squad.
Blanco's useless and intrusive interference in the French team is an exemple of the inefficiency of our institutions who have turned "French Flair" into a marketing term and who are most concerned by the Top 14's commercial revenue and not the results of our national team. A renewal should start with the election of Laporte to the French federation of rugby.
Papé went out on a rant after yesterday's game, which proved to be his last one for France, on how every team were evolving toward modernity while we're still stuck dealing with puny issues as player availability (they play way too many games) and the dreaded doublons (Top 14 games at the same as international games, every Top 14 team played four games before the start of the World Cup).

I'm really not convinced that Novès is the man to modernize our team, he's the greatest coach ever in French club rugby but his Toulouse had struggled in recent years to adapt to new aspects of the games. He's the most old-school coach in France and has been known not to have post-game video sessions at Toulouse...
I would have picked a duo of Ibanez and Galthié, two coaches who have managed to concile the physicality of today's rugby with having an offensive and playful style (especially Ibanez at Bordeaux-Bègles.

Many players will have to go at first. Michalak and Papé have already retired and every player over 30 in our WC team should be exluded from future squads. Except Dusautoir, who we'll need to mentor newcomers, he's our only veteran with the legitimacy to do so as he's never let the team down. WC underperfomers as Chouly, Tillous-Borde, Talès shouldn't be called up called up again. Same for foreign imports who don't bring anything to the team: Kockott, Atonio and Spedding (going for those 50+ penalties is all but a sign of our offensive impotency). Often, they are younger French players of the same level who don't get included because of these imports. Le Roux and Nakaitaci are the only one with a long-term role to play for France, and I'm not convinced about the former.
Do not call up any new imports.

Players from the World Cup squad that we should retain:

Ben Arous, Guirado and Slimani, our front frow for years to come. Maestri and Flanquart, also a partnership for years to come. Picamoles, Le Roux, Dusautoir.
Parra, the only half-back that could be of any use in 2019. Fofana and Fickou. Grosso and Dulin.

That makes for 8 forwards and 5 backs, the rest will be for Novès to figure out but there's enough young French talent at the like of Stade Français, Toulouse and Clermont to make a new team with 2019 in mind.
PSA exiles in their late 20s as Machenaud, Trinh-Duc and Mermoz should also get another chance. Just to see the team that could have been at this World Cup...
 
Well if I was picking a 31 man squad I would go for
1-Ben Arous,Domingo,Debaty
2-Kayser,Guirado,Tolofua
3-Slimani,Chiocci,
4-Flanquart,Taofifuena
5-Maestri,Chluski
6-Burban,Dusautoir
7-Lauret,Nyanga
8-Picamoles,Galan
9-Machenaud,Doussain,
10-Trinh-Duc, Lopez
11-Nakiatki
12-Fofana, le Bourhis not sure if he's a 12/13
13-Chavancy,Basta
14-Huget,Guitone
15-Dulin,Buttin
 
I think it was extremely clear after watching this world cup that France lacks creativity and dynamite to the offense. If France played with the same amont of approach and passion as the Argentines we'd be in the final.I don't watch enough top 14 to so I don't know much about Noves but he cant be worse than PSA. I'm tired of going for penalty kicks, playing conservatively and playing good defense. How did that work against NZ? We were outplayed physically, Michalak didn't looked like he belonged on the field with those missed tackles. Spedding ran with the ball so much because we lacked any width and outside usage. Granted we didn't have Huget. In terms of player selection, I don't think we should import foreign players. We have enough talent in the French pool and I'm tired of the top 14 interfering with our development at the National level. Like I said I don't watch enough top 14, who are some young french players we could potentially add? I think Teddy Thomas is a prospect worth watching, if he fixes his defense.
Guys who shouldn't be recalled
Szarzewski
Debaty
Nyanga
Fulgence
Chouly
Kockott
STB
Tales
Dumoulin

I think Spedding and Thierry should stay but hopefully come 2019 they won't have to be.
 
I'm really not convinced that Novès is the man to modernize our team, he's the greatest coach ever in French club rugby but his Toulouse had struggled in recent years to adapt to new aspects of the games. He's the most old-school coach in France and has been known not to have post-game video sessions at Toulouse...
I would have picked a duo of Ibanez and Galthié, two coaches who have managed to concile the physicality of today's rugby with having an offensive and playful style (especially Ibanez at Bordeaux-Bègles.

I agree about Noves. There is a lot of BS talked in the media since his appointment. He is not going to be the Messiah many journos make him out to be.
It's fair to say the same problems that have plagued Lievremont and Saint-André will plague Noves. He won't get around the politics that come with the job. The big clubs and the Federation are at loggerhead like never before and diplomacy is not his forte.
He spent his entire career ******* down the neck of FFr. You could write a book with the trademark Noves statements!
More than any other manager he has fuelled the club v country culture which is so rife in our rugby. He's always had utter contempt for the parisians be their clubs or FFr. I find it hilarious he got the gig for 4 yrs!

The clubs now will be more than happy to give him a taste of his own medicine. Don't expect the Parisian clubs and Toulon or even Clermont to play ball with him. Laporte has always said Noves was very difficult to deal with. I'm not surprised. I think the boomerang is about to head back the other way.......
"He was never very helpful as [Toulouse coach] towards the French team," Laporte was quoted in the French press. "He often blocked the path of the [national] coaches. We couldn't go and watch training *sessions at Toulouse. We shouldn't forget that."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/france/11641638/Sir-Clive-Woodward-misses-out-on-France-job.html

Also, from what I've seen of all my years at Stade Toulousain is that Noves is very much a hands-on coach. He is the guy who was always on the sideline in his tracksuit or in the changing room, always very close to his players. This is a hall-mark of his coaching. He has embraced the technology of course with backroom analysis etc. But he is very much hands-on with his players. He likes to get under their skin. He is a great motivator. But that approach works for a club coach that spends enough time with the players. He's not going to get that as a national selector because he won't have the players for very long.

At nearly 62 he does not represent the future. If FFr was serious about the national team they would have appointed a younger manager. Someone with a long term vision and energy.

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Players from the World Cup squad that we should retain:

Ben Arous, Guirado and Slimani, our front frow for years to come. Maestri and Flanquart, also a partnership for years to come. Picamoles, Le Roux, Dusautoir.
Parra, the only half-back that could be of any use in 2019. Fofana and Fickou. Grosso and Dulin.

That makes for 8 forwards and 5 backs, the rest will be for Novès to figure out but there's enough young French talent at the like of Stade Français, Toulouse and Clermont to make a new team with 2019 in mind.
PSA exiles in their late 20s as Machenaud, Trinh-Duc and Mermoz should also get another chance. Just to see the team that could have been at this World Cup...

Noves is going to have to pick up the pieces. I don't know where he starts with the clubs...

He won't be getting any change from Laporte at Toulon and a few others (Azema at Clermont, Labit/Travers at Racing). I'm sure he is well aware of the almighty mess he's inheriting.
I would imagine his best bet is to turn to Toulouse and work with his old club. A prerequisite to re-establishing normal relationships with at least one of the big 5.
I think the following look promising for club and country: Paul Jedrasiak (22) Camille Chat (21) Thibault Lassalle Johnathan Pellissié and Baptiste Serein (20) of Bordeaux

I also like the young SH at Clermont Enzo Sanga still only 18. He came in as a cover for Parra and ended up starting 7 games consecutively. France U20 for him.

He can also pick from the pariahs of the PSA era: FTD Lopez Machenaud Mermoz Medard - there's a full backline in there and not a bad one with well over 100 caps....

Also the following youngsters - completely overlooked : Camara Galan Ollivon Tolofua Tichit (who has demolished every T14 prop last season), Thomas the Racing wing.

At least he's got a decent pack of forwards to work off and more than a few youngsters starting to make their mark in the league.

Bonne chance Guy.....
 
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Blanco's useless and intrusive interference in the French team is an exemple of the inefficiency of our institutions who have turned "French Flair" into a marketing term and who are most concerned by the Top 14's commercial revenue and not the results of our national team. A renewal should start with the election of Laporte to the French federation of rugby.

I can't see Laporte standing much of a chance. Don't forget the union only elects its own people. And Laporte is not one of them. They work it out internally. It's like the USSR Politburo. Blanco as vice-president is likely to be elected. These people will cling to power like barnacles...
 
I can't see Laporte standing much of a chance. Don't forget the union only elects its own people. And Laporte is not one of them. They work it out internally. It's like the USSR Politburo. Blanco as vice-president is likely to be elected. These people will cling to power like barnacles...

I agree and Blanco has been working for this for many, many years! Considering the utter mess he has made at his club, most people would not let him near a position of such power. That alone speaks volumes about the "Old Farts" at the top of the FFR.
 
Well if I was picking a 31 man squad I would go for
1-Ben Arous,Domingo,Debaty
2-Kayser,Guirado,Tolofua
3-Slimani,Chiocci,
4-Flanquart,Taofifuena
5-Maestri,Chluski
6-Burban,Dusautoir
7-Lauret,Nyanga
8-Picamoles,Galan
9-Machenaud,Doussain,
10-Trinh-Duc, Lopez
11-Nakiatki
12-Fofana, le Bourhis not sure if he's a 12/13
13-Chavancy,Basta
14-Huget,Guitone
15-Dulin,Buttin

Pretty good pick overall. IMO Le Bourhis, Chavancy, Lauret, Millo-Chluski are good league players but not international players. Jury is out on Burban, Chiocci, Taofefinua, Doussain, Guitoune, Galan, Tolofua, Buttin.. but worth a shot.

Our best assets are the front row, 2nd row and 8. Our front row is very solid (Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani). Can't find much fault with what they did considering how dysfunctional the team was. Picamoles was outstanding but completely isolated. He was missing a link player like Nyanga. Flanquart and Maestri are very solid.
 
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Pretty good pick overall. IMO Le Bourhis, Chavancy, Lauret, Millo-Chluski are good league players but not international players. Jury is out on Burban, Chiocci, Taofefinua, Doussain, Guitoune, Galan, Tolofua, Buttin.. but worth a shot.

Our best assets are the front row, 2nd row and 8. Our front row is very solid (Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani). Can't find much fault with what they did considering how dysfunctional the team was. Picamoles was outstanding but completely isolated. He was missing a link player like Nyanga. Flanquart and Maestri are very solid.

What I would go with:

1-Ben Arous, Domingo
2-Guirado,Tolofua
3-Slimani, Tichit, Chiocci,
4-Flanquart,Taofifuena
5-Maestri,Vahaamahina
6-Burban, Dusautoir
7-Lauret, Camara
8-Picamoles,Galan
9-Machenaud, Parra, Bézy
10-Trinh-Duc, Plisson
11-Thomas, Nakaitaci
12-Mermoz, Danty
13-Fofana, Fickou, Bastareaud - probably only 2 of those 3
14-Huget
15-Dulin, Médard

The only player over 30 that I'm keeping is Dusautoir, all of these players have the international level and a new generation could soon fill the empty spots: Baille, Marchand, Chat, Jedrasiak, Ollivon, Dupont, Serin, Ramos...
 
Pretty good pick overall. IMO Le Bourhis, Chavancy, Lauret, Millo-Chluski are good league players but not international players. Jury is out on Burban, Chiocci, Taofefinua, Doussain, Guitoune, Galan, Tolofua, Buttin.. but worth a shot.

Our best assets are the front row, 2nd row and 8. Our front row is very solid (Ben Arous, Guirado, Slimani). Can't find much fault with what they did considering how dysfunctional the team was. Picamoles was outstanding but completely isolated. He was missing a link player like Nyanga. Flanquart and Maestri are very solid.

Yeah I was going of memory, players I have changed based on a bit more thinking
Vahaaminha-Millo Chluski
Chavancy out for Mermoz
I would still look at Lauret and Le Bourhis though. Lauret looks strong over the ball and having him, Ben Arous, Picamoles and Vahaaminha makes your pack very good over the ball. With the unsure guys, you ave to just give them a run of games IMO. Saint Andre changing all the time gives a team no cohesion, but a back roow of Picamoles, Burban and Dusautoir/Nyanga is bloody impressive if on form.
 
Thought on Novès' debut? The staff with Bru still in place for the forwards and Dubois coming over from Stade Français seems pretty balanced. Looking forward for Dubois to push for the selection of Stade Français younglings as Plisson and Danty.
We'd need to add any international flavour to that staff, maybe a Kiwi for skills training and a British for a rush defence? Coaching additions like Ledesma for the Wallabies seem to really be able to make a difference and we could really do with a different approach to the game, our results have proved that we need one.
 
Noves might not be the best choice for futur, but on a short to middle time project he mlay be the one needed.
He s respected by almost all players in France, wich isnt the case of Galthier for example, who cut himself from a large base of players. Nobody ran to hire him despite his availability this season.
Ibanez with all the respect i have for him, didnt even make a full season in ERC, or a semi final in top14. Not sayin its necessary, but the name doesnt make the results, experience does.

Gettin Jeff Dubois is the only thing that made me happy, the work he did in SF is just tremendous and made Paris have the most enjoyable style to watch in france.
BUT keeping BRU wtf. He took one the 2 best scrums on the planet, and made it so we got smashed by basically all serious teams on 90% of scrums.
4 years for that, imo, its more than nice to have kept him already so long. We DO have scrum masters in France, why not try another one?

Blanco is still in place, so is Camou, so is Goze, so is everybody in fact. They are like mussels glued to their rock. Blanco and Goze both lead their club to bankrupcy or prod2, and both are the ones leading french rugby.
Til this doesnt change, idk what will.

I still regret the 2 x 8 championship system we had, far more intelligent. Play off had a meaning.
Not a big fan either of ERC, way too much teams, and way too long. Best 2 teams of each country woudl be more relevant than desperatly addin poor teams in it , such as the 6th or 7th of top14.
Could be a short competition instead of a boring 8 month drama parallel to all other championships.

Someone said Plisson, but please no, i watch him for very long now, kid cant handle pressure. He needs to practise a lot before havin international level. He can take a blow, he s not scared , but he screws so many kicks in game.
He needs at least 2-3 years before we can really rely on him in EDF.
The 2 guys i await from SF are Danty and Burban. Danty has fire in his legs. So intelligent and powerful. Unlike Bastareaud he can also pass the ball, and go AROUND the oponent lol, not straight in his face.
Burban is just the task man any team needs. Can do everything, fights like a dog, very respectful, keeps gettin better.
 
Guy Noves is a winner. Hopefully the lovely French will have that winning mentality as well. I'm already pumped for the 6 Nations.
 
Noves might not be the best choice for futur, but on a short to middle time project he mlay be the one needed.
He s respected by almost all players in France, wich isnt the case of Galthier for example, who cut himself from a large base of players. Nobody ran to hire him despite his availability this season.
Ibanez with all the respect i have for him, didnt even make a full season in ERC, or a semi final in top14. Not sayin its necessary, but the name doesnt make the results, experience does.

Gettin Jeff Dubois is the only thing that made me happy, the work he did in SF is just tremendous and made Paris have the most enjoyable style to watch in france.
BUT keeping BRU wtf. He took one the 2 best scrums on the planet, and made it so we got smashed by basically all serious teams on 90% of scrums.
4 years for that, imo, its more than nice to have kept him already so long. We DO have scrum masters in France, why not try another one?

Blanco is still in place, so is Camou, so is Goze, so is everybody in fact. They are like mussels glued to their rock. Blanco and Goze both lead their club to bankrupcy or prod2, and both are the ones leading french rugby.
Til this doesnt change, idk what will.

I still regret the 2 x 8 championship system we had, far more intelligent. Play off had a meaning.
Not a big fan either of ERC, way too much teams, and way too long. Best 2 teams of each country woudl be more relevant than desperatly addin poor teams in it , such as the 6th or 7th of top14.
Could be a short competition instead of a boring 8 month drama parallel to all other championships.

Someone said Plisson, but please no, i watch him for very long now, kid cant handle pressure. He needs to practise a lot before havin international level. He can take a blow, he s not scared , but he screws so many kicks in game.
He needs at least 2-3 years before we can really rely on him in EDF.
The 2 guys i await from SF are Danty and Burban. Danty has fire in his legs. So intelligent and powerful. Unlike Bastareaud he can also pass the ball, and go AROUND the oponent lol, not straight in his face.
Burban is just the task man any team needs. Can do everything, fights like a dog, very respectful, keeps gettin better.

Spot on, as long as the corrupt and incompetent elite is still is place, no real change can be expected to happen, but those guys are cowards and they'll never have to courage to admit their failure and simply resign.
Plisson is a decent backup at fly-half and he's young, he'll have time to learn to cope with the pressure if he's selected regularly. Really excited about Dubois as well, and I agree that Danty and Burban must be into the squad, the starting XV even, one was the best center in the Top 14 last season and the other the best flanker, anybody but PSA would have taken them to the World Cup. Burban is a complete flanker who can run the ball and would be complementary along a defensive flanker of the like of Leroux or Dusautoir. Danty is a gem, he's powerful, explosive and fast and can pass the ball smartly, I absolutely agree, raring to see him in a blue (not red) shirt.
 
Spot on, as long as the corrupt and incompetent elite is still is place, no real change can be expected to happen, but those guys are cowards and they'll never have to courage to admit their failure and simply resign.
Plisson is a decent backup at fly-half and he's young, he'll have time to learn to cope with the pressure if he's selected regularly. Really excited about Dubois as well, and I agree that Danty and Burban must be into the squad, the starting XV even, one was the best center in the Top 14 last season and the other the best flanker, anybody but PSA would have taken them to the World Cup. Burban is a complete flanker who can run the ball and would be complementary along a defensive flanker of the like of Leroux or Dusautoir. Danty is a gem, he's powerful, explosive and fast and can pass the ball smartly, I absolutely agree, raring to see him in a blue (not red) shirt.

glad u share my enthusiasm on Danty, he indeed is awaited. I think he might be the modern center we desperatly seek for ages. Even physically he is bluffing. Upperbody is massive, very compact, but legs are the ones of a runner.
Overall, SF has a good basis of young players, and i tell u now that in 2-3 years, Slimani's brother is gonna be impressive.
I fear SF will play the next 4 season wit half a squad cos of EDF, and this gonna be a problem again.

As you said, incompetence and corruption. What they all said after the humiliation speaks for itself :
1- FFR isnt responsible of anything but to chosen the Wrong coach
2-Top14 isnt responsible and the reason of fiasco is Wrong choice of coach.

None of them went on the meaculpa interview, wich even sincere or not, would have at least given the feeling they want to change things. They are in statu quo, keeping silence til next WC, hoping nobody notices them, well hidden in their senior ivory tower.
So they just keep arguing on and on over a dead body, to know how it died when they both hold the gun.

Now i wanna speak about Canal+.
This channel is for a big part responsible of this situation. It is also for a further sentence against LNR and FFR for the way they sold rights of rugby out of any legal maners.
How the hell, "professionals" will accept such a thing? I know for a fact BeinSport was offering 2to 3 times the money C+ gives, and offered a worldwide exposition, thru its already existing chanels in middle east and asia/oceania etc.
So, the only reason to accept a lower contract , without even respectiin the law about an open market , is of course, corruption.
So they took a big check from C+ to buy their BS, and try to justify it by openly lying to presidents, fans, and people who pay their licenses.
I insist on C+ cos they are at 80% responsible for the number of matches in top14. C+ designed the top14, according only to business matters.
For example, who do you think insisted to have 3-4 days of top14 between end of december and february?
When even football players cant play on a frozen field, they ask for rugby players to do so!!!!!!!!!!!! Every year in TOP14, we see those pathetic matches in december january. Mud, snow, frozen fields , injuries, etc, BUT
finally C+ has a boxing day a la francaise...
 
Thought on Novès' debut? The staff with Bru still in place for the forwards and Dubois coming over from Stade Français seems pretty balanced. Looking forward for Dubois to push for the selection of Stade Français younglings as Plisson and Danty.
We'd need to add any international flavour to that staff, maybe a Kiwi for skills training and a British for a rush defence? Coaching additions like Ledesma for the Wallabies seem to really be able to make a difference and we could really do with a different approach to the game, our results have proved that we need one.

Many scrum specialists in the country. If you want one with fresh intl experience, get Marc Dal Maso back from Japan. He must be fed up working for Mr Miyagi and with sushi :D
 
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Noves might not be the best choice for futur, but on a short to middle time project he mlay be the one needed.
He s respected by almost all players in France, wich isnt the case of Galthier for example, who cut himself from a large base of players. Nobody ran to hire him despite his availability this season.
Ibanez with all the respect i have for him, didnt even make a full season in ERC, or a semi final in top14. Not sayin its necessary, but the name doesnt make the results, experience does.

Yes Galthie has fallen from grace. Nobody wants to work with him.
He has made many enemies and burnt so many bridges. Just before the RWC he portrayed himself at one stage as the saviour for les Bleus. Pathetic. Great technician but big ego. Terrible man manager. His ego has really got to him.

He's blown himself out of a serious coaching job in the future IMO. He might get some consultancy work like he did for Argentina. He was on a ridiculous salary in Montpellier +600 euros :huh: Probably the highest paid coach in the league.

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Someone said Plisson, but please no, i watch him for very long now, kid cant handle pressure. He needs to practise a lot before havin international level. He can take a blow, he s not scared , but he screws so many kicks in game.
He needs at least 2-3 years before we can really rely on him in EDF.

Plisson might indeed need extra coaching. But what young outhalf starting at test level doesn't need it?

He was never going to get that with the previous staff! They wanted finished articles for every position. Scuzez du peu :D It never occurred to them they were going to have to develop players into their position and consider club combos. They did neither over 4 yrs.

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Spot on, as long as the corrupt and incompetent elite is still is place, no real change can be expected to happen, but those guys are cowards and they'll never have to courage to admit their failure and simply resign.


Agreed. The whole FFr culture is so screwed up. Don't expect any single significant reform. Also, 2016 is Election Year, they won't rock the boat. Or else it would mean 1. acknowledging all the mistakes they made in appointing Saint-Andre, keeping him in the job then placing him under Blanco's toxic stewardship etc.

2.It would read like a vote of no confidence about themselves which of course they will never admit. I bet Blanco will be the next president :eek:.
 
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2.It would read like a vote of no confidence about themselves which of course they will never admit. I bet Blanco will be the next president :eek:.

He cant seriously run for it can he? It wouldnt surprise me at this point of indecency, but he may have lost some support in his closest relations.
If he is elected, we can plan on futur as bright as biarritz has.
 
He cant seriously run for it can he? It wouldnt surprise me at this point of indecency, but he may have lost some support in his closest relations.

Well he might. Only one shot away. He's already Vice-president :eek:. Le président du vice ouai :D

I think he will run for it. If he does, he stands to get elected. They've been grooming the man for years now. Who else will run? internally, there's nobody else. The one thing they might do is have another runner, another member of the current exec comittee like Jean Dunyach.

It would deflect attention from Blanco, but they'll still get their man in.

These people only elect their own kind . It's been that way for decades. Politburo & Panier de crabes.....

If he is elected, we can plan on futur as bright as biarritz has.

Blanco is only the tip of the iceberg. You need to look at all the layers of uselessness and croynism they have built in. It's staggering.

Dunyach is another vice president. Officially he is 'manager du XV de France' and in charge of 'le
haut niveau'. FFr's Rob Andrew in a way. He should resign along Blanco and Camous.

Can someone explain to me what he has achieved in his capacity? I can't figure out.

Same thing for JC Skrela current manager of France 7 - the chronically underfunded FFr team.

He was for 10 years DTN (Directeur technique national). 10 EFFING YEARS - before they moved him to his current job. What did Skrela achieve during these 10 years as DTN? Nobody knows. What does a DTN actually do? Nobody knows.

I'd love to read it somewhere someday.
 
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But I know what Dunyach does.
He makes the restaurant resevations when a meeting is decided. Very Very important subject.

You are so right, from FFR to LNR, they build up a system that stands only on corporatism and family relations. In french rugby more than anywhere else, better be born already in a rugby family.

Skrela lol, you are so so so so right. After such results in 7, how can he not be under pressure?
He is even more responsible as the DTN he was.
DTN are supposed to be deciding all concept of futur national rugby.
What kind of rugby youth team will play/learn, what kind of players we have develop/ find, what type of players we send to one or another role.
Knowing the player he was, its even more intriguing to see he s one of those responsible for that fake technikless generation.
And yes, he still has a big salary.

The only one makin noise is Laporte, idk if he ll be elected, and idk if he is that smart, i even doubt it.
What s sure is he is as hypocrit as the others. Askin clubs to make young french plays when he coaches toulon , askin for 12 team championship, etc
Idk where the youth is gonna play if we only have 12 teams in championship, that is why i want a closed 2x8 league.
Keep prod2 exclusively for french players or at least 80%. My problem with foreigners isnt in top14, it is in prod2, federale etc.
Even in fed2 we hire foreigners, it jsut ridiculous.
It is precisely in prod2, federale etc, that young players must practise and then enter a bigger club.
 
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