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<blockquote data-quote="Peat" data-source="post: 789539" data-attributes="member: 42330">Oh, I agree. I love tight, disciplined sides.I just look at Hartley, Cole, Haskell and Farrell and think Jones mightn&#039;t be too bothered. Particularly given all the talk about him wanting a more aggressive England.edit: On the discipline front - we gave up 12 penalties to Scotland&#039;s 9; 15 to Italy&#039;s 9; 12 to Ireland&#039;s 10; and 12 to Wales&#039; 14, the only match where we&#039;ve conceded less than the opponent - but still gave up a large amount. 3 yellow cards, 2 against Ireland and 1 against Wales.The penalties work out at12 for Cole*5 for Haskell*4 for Robshaw, Farrell, Hartley3 for Itoje, Launchbury2 for Care*, Youngs, Billy1 for Marler, Kruis, Ford, Joseph, Nowell, Watson, Brown, Mako, LawesAsterisks for the yellow cardsIf I could be bothered, I&#039;d break up the penalties into types; pulling down a dominant maul on the 5m line should be considered different to getting pinged in a breakdown 40 yards out should be considered different should be considered different to getting caught in possession should be considered different to scrum penalties should be considered different to unnecessary high tackle and so on. I have a lot more sympathy for Cole picking up a team yellow for a try saving technical foul than I do Haskell getting yellowed for a bad tackle. Alas, that data is not easily to hand.Still, no surprise that the usual suspects are up high. Launchbury and Itoje shouldn&#039;t be that high given how little game time they had, but I guess are suffering for trying to get involved at the breakdown.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Peat, post: 789539, member: 42330"] Oh, I agree. I love tight, disciplined sides. I just look at Hartley, Cole, Haskell and Farrell and think Jones mightn't be too bothered. Particularly given all the talk about him wanting a more aggressive England. edit: On the discipline front - we gave up 12 penalties to Scotland's 9; 15 to Italy's 9; 12 to Ireland's 10; and 12 to Wales' 14, the only match where we've conceded less than the opponent - but still gave up a large amount. 3 yellow cards, 2 against Ireland and 1 against Wales. The penalties work out at 12 for Cole* 5 for Haskell* 4 for Robshaw, Farrell, Hartley 3 for Itoje, Launchbury 2 for Care*, Youngs, Billy 1 for Marler, Kruis, Ford, Joseph, Nowell, Watson, Brown, Mako, Lawes Asterisks for the yellow cards If I could be bothered, I'd break up the penalties into types; pulling down a dominant maul on the 5m line should be considered different to getting pinged in a breakdown 40 yards out should be considered different should be considered different to getting caught in possession should be considered different to scrum penalties should be considered different to unnecessary high tackle and so on. I have a lot more sympathy for Cole picking up a team yellow for a try saving technical foul than I do Haskell getting yellowed for a bad tackle. Alas, that data is not easily to hand. Still, no surprise that the usual suspects are up high. Launchbury and Itoje shouldn't be that high given how little game time they had, but I guess are suffering for trying to get involved at the breakdown. [/QUOTE]

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