England 2024/25

[Geordie]

60, with 26 starts vs 18 with 5 starts (none at looshead)

I honestly didn't think Iyogun had that many games.

 

[Which Tyler]

Watch him get a central contract and us be told to never play him at 3 again, now

He's in serious danger of being over played this season.
If a central contract saves him from that, then I'm all for it.

Not getting involved in the LH v TH debate, as I have no idea whatsoever, and different experts have different opinions (and I give as much weight to his preference as to Fodens preference to play SH)

 

[higgik]

Just reading Wikipedia for sizes of players.
The NZ bench front row quoted as 20 st 17st and 23st.
Ours were 19st, 16.5 St, 20st.
Giving away a lot of mass across there average of 1 St per player.

 

[West Country Wail]

Eddie 2.0 bubbling along nicely

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Ps...hes likely only to be there for experience with Baxter and genge Starter and bench...

And when one of them goes down on Thursday or in the warm up?

By all accounts Davison has been training well. Maybe he's actually being seen as the emergency LH.

TH or LH. AOF's got promise but is nowhere near ready for the step up yet. And I'm not big on being there "just for experience".

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Was there a match thread for the game? can find one anywhere

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Was there a match thread for the game? can find one anywhere

England v New Zealand - 2 November 2024

3.10pm (Local time) The gaff formerly known as Twickenham Very excited for these set of internationals, should be off to a good, tight game of rugby to start. I, personally, hate both teams. Let's go.

www.therugbyforum.com

 

[Kiwiwomble]

England v New Zealand - 2 November 2024

3.10pm (Local time) The gaff formerly known as Twickenham Very excited for these set of internationals, should be off to a good, tight game of rugby to start. I, personally, hate both teams. Let's go.

www.therugbyforum.com

thank you, thats interesting not showing up because i have the OP on ignore

 

[LIONSxv]

Just reading Wikipedia for sizes of players.
The NZ bench front row quoted as 20 st 17st and 23st.
Ours were 19st, 16.5 St, 20st.
Giving away a lot of mass across there average of 1 St per player.

I'm not entirely sure how props above 19/20 stone make much difference. The very best props of the last 10 years have been around 6 foot and 18-20 stone. Look at the SA props that won the last WC. nche for example is no more than 17 stone

The problem with heavy props is that it's very hard in the modern game to get a prop under 6 foot 2 ISH above 20 stone. The monster props who are 22-25 stone tend to be six foot 5 and in all honesty will get beaten by a smaller man as they are long legged. They are constantly done for collapsing the scrum.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I'm not entirely sure how props above 19/20 stone make much difference. The very best props of the last 10 years have been around 6 foot and 18-20 stone. Look at the SA props that won the last WC. nche for example is no more than 17 stone

The problem with heavy props is that it's very hard in the modern game to get a prop under 6 foot 2 ISH above 20 stone. The monster props who are 22-25 stone tend to be six foot 5 and in all honesty will get beaten by a smaller man as they are long legged. They are constantly done for collapsing the scrum.

Ox weighs over 19 stone, his springbok profile has him listed 122kg and tbh you just have to look at him to know that he isn't just over 17 stone
SA didn't have one prop under 19 stone

 

[LIONSxv]

Ox weighs over 19 stone, his springbok profile has him listed 122kg and tbh you just have to look at him to know that he isn't just over 17 stone
SA didn't have one prop under 19 stone

Nche is 107 kg listed as low as 105kg elsewhere. If we are been pedantic Kitsoff and Koch are also marginally under 19 stone.
All of the SA props barring Malherbe who is a bit heaver are in the 18-20 stone bracket. None are in the extra big 23-25 stone bracket

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Nche is 107 kg listed as low as 105kg elsewhere. If we are been pedantic Kitsoff and Koch are also marginally under 19 stone.
All of the SA props barring Malherbe who is a bit heaver are in the 18-20 stone bracket. None are in the extra big 23-25 stone bracket

Would think the Boks would see a 19 stone prop as in need of a good feed. That's pretty much the minimum now. Wouldn't believe all you read - Tom Curry's listed at 110 (17-5).

 

[LIONSxv]

Would think the Boks would see a 19 stone prop as in need of a good feed. That's pretty much the minimum now. Wouldn't believe all you read - Tom Curry's listed at 110 (17-5).

That is based on aura/reputation instead of looking at their actual weights

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Nche is 107 kg listed as low as 105kg elsewhere. If we are been pedantic Kitsoff and Koch are also marginally under 19 stone.
All of the SA props barring Malherbe who is a bit heaver are in the 18-20 stone bracket. None are in the extra big 23-25 stone bracket

He's clearly not 107kg look at his pics and tell me he's lighter than AFO

Springboks also list Kitsoff as over 19 stone.

 

[Saintjay]

If I were a prop that weighed 17 stone on all those magic but perfectly legal supplements I'd be sending them back

 

[Rugbyfan564]

With all the brain damage issues being linked to impacts with heavier players players will probably be required to become lighter over time.

 

[TommiG88]

With all the brain damage issues being linked to impacts with heavier players players will probably be required to become lighter over time.

Not happening, unless we have weight classes for the rugby. The Heavy Weight and Feather weight 6 nations

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

That is based on aura/reputation instead of looking at their actual weights

More depends where you read.

The Boks reckon Ox is 122kg which makes much more sense.

But actually agree with your original point about weight not making that much difference once you get above 19 or 20 stone.

Player Detail | SA Rugby

www.springboks.rugby

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I do wonder why England coaches see Asher as a LH and Sale as a TH, is it the need for players in a position or his body height/ weight etc.

Either way it's madness that a bloke in his first season who hasn't played a game at LH would be called up for England there.

 

[Which Tyler]

Anyone giving any credence to published heights and weights... hasn't been paying attention to published heights and weights

I do wonder why England coaches see Asher as a LH and Sale as a TH, is it the need for players in a position or his body height/ weight etc.

Either way it's madness that a bloke in his first season who hasn't played a game at LH would be called up for England there.

From what I can tell...
A] AOF wants to be a THP.
B] Sale want to keep him happy, and he's plenty good enough at THP. For this season, Sale have also had injuries at THP, so they haven't had to try him at LHP at all.
C] England age-grade had a glut of very high quality THPs, with minimal competition on the LHP side; and props really ought to be pretty bilateral at age-grade, so played him at LHP.
I believe Sanderson has said that he sees THP as AOF's best position (but then, he would - see B]), but then, Catt has said that he sees LHP as AOF's best position (but then, he would - see C])

For myself, I pretty much discount A] as irrelevant - that same logic sees Ben Foden at SH, Alex Goode at FH, Tom Croft at WG etc etc.
Then looking at how he plays the game, and whether he's better at destroying or resisting his opposite number in the scrum.... my knowledge utterly fails me - most of my knowledge of front-row play is that there's a genuine chance that they'll take me literally when I talk about feeding them the ball!