Brussow and Ferreira Under Investigation for Foulplay

[Ostrayian]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/union/13616810/force-eye-gouging-accusation/



Springboks and Cheetahs flanker Heinrich Brussow faces a long suspension if he is found guilty of grabbing at the eyes of winger Napolioni Nalaga in the Western Force's controversial and bad-tempered Super Rugby loss to the South African side.

Brussow clearly attacked the face and eyes of Nalaga but the incident went unnoticed by match officials and throws the spotlight on the use of "home" referees.

The 52nd-minute incident, as the Force battled on their line to stop the Cheetahs from scoring, was one of three controversial incidents in the game and the fallout from the 17-13 defeat in Bloemfontein will continue long into this week.

Attacks to the eyes can bring long suspensions and while there is no specific charge of "eye-gouging" in the International Rugby Board laws, players have been banned from a couple of weeks up to two years for offences "contrary to good sportsmanship".

Officials from SANZAR, Super Rugby's governing body, are already investigating another incident that left Force back-rower Matt Hodgson with concussion, unable to finish the game and in doubt for Saturday's clash with the Stormers in Durban.

Hodgson was helped from the field late in the game and Cheetahs second row Andres Ferreira was cited for foul play. He is alleged to have tackled Hodgson dangerously around the neck or head at the breakdown, driven through and flung him to the ground where he hit his head, neck and shoulder. Judicial officer Mike Heron said it had reached the threshold of the red card.

The performance of South African referee Stuart Berry, in charge of his first Super game that left the Force reeling on the wrong side of a bewildering 18-7 penalty count, will be assessed.

The controversial decision by touch judge Stefan Breytenbach that denied the Force a try that could have changed the face of the game will also be scrutinised.

Breytenbach claimed Force prop Salesi Ma'afu held a Cheetahs player by the throat. Replays showed Ma'afu holding him in a headlock during the ruck battle, a common occurrence in every game and one that goes unpunished.

The incident, in the opposite corner to where Samu Wara scored, had little bearing on the play.
SANZAR has been using "home" referees this season as a cost- cutting measure, a move that has attracted criticism and Berry's game will be reviewed and any findings released tomorrow.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Wow!

you show your true colours again Ostrayian! been quiet for a while, only to come back with this.

First of all, I wonder how credible this article is as there are numerous errors, which seemed to me to be typed by an angry Force Supporter.

1. The Force will play the Sharks in Durban and not the Stormers.
2. It's Andries Ferreira, not Andres
3. The Headlock is warranted!! last year 3 players were given yellow cards, and got bans for it as well.
4. The Force should be glad the penalty count wasn't more against them, they played negative rugby and got what they deserved.
5. I doubt that anything will happen to brussouw as there was no reports or anything on our local sports channels about any such incident.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Wow, a lot of eye-gouge allegations this year;

nameless Crusaders, that Rebels lock and now Brussow. I havn't seen the game and hope it's just another unsabstantiated allegation. Will watch this space. As for the rest of the article... can't say much as I havn't watched the game but I too am against the 'home ref' system as it does open the door for people to complain about biased when refs make mistakes. The funny thing for me is the amount of butthurt in this article when Aussies told Saffa's to quit complaining after the RWC QF fiasco.

 

[Ostrayian]

Wow!

you show your true colours again Ostrayian! been quiet for a while, only to come back with this.

First of all, I wonder how credible this article is as there are numerous errors, which seemed to me to be typed by an angry Force Supporter.

1. The Force will play the Sharks in Durban and not the Stormers.
2. It's Andries Ferreira, not Andres
3. The Headlock is warranted!! last year 3 players were given yellow cards, and got bans for it as well.
4. The Force should be glad the penalty count wasn't more against them, they played negative rugby and got what they deserved.
5. I doubt that anything will happen to brussouw as there was no reports or anything on our local sports channels about any such incident.

Ive missed you too Heineken.

 

[lucky number 7]

Sure he was only rubbing a bit of sand out of his eye.


Look forward to a nice long ban for that.

 

[Ostrayian]

Wow, a lot of eye-gouge allegations this year;

nameless Crusaders, that Rebels lock and now Brussow. I havn't seen the game and hope it's just another unsabstantiated allegation. Will watch this space. As for the rest of the article... can't say much as I havn't watched the game but I too am against the 'home ref' system as it does open the door for people to complain about biased when refs make mistakes. The funny thing for me is the amount of butthurt in this article when Aussies told Saffa's to quit complaining after the RWC QF fiasco.

U clowns are still feeling butthurt about that semifinal hahaha!

 

[lucky number 7]

U clowns are still feeling butthurt about that semifinal hahaha!

Your attitude angers me.

 

[Ostrayian]

Your attitude angers me.

This is one serious case of butthurt right here....Someone get this fella a anoscomy examination!

 

[smartcooky]

Wow, a lot of eye-gouge allegations this year;

nameless Crusaders, that Rebels lock and now Brussow. I havn't seen the game and hope it's just another unsabstantiated allegation. Will watch this space. As for the rest of the article... can't say much as I havn't watched the game but I too am against the 'home ref' system as it does open the door for people to complain about biased when refs make mistakes. The funny thing for me is the amount of butthurt in this article when Aussies told Saffa's to quit complaining after the RWC QF fiasco.

The allegations against the Crusaders were pure bunkum, as evidenced by the fact that the Bulls never followed up on them. They pbviously realised that a full investgation by the Citing Commissioner and the SANZAR Judicial Officer would quite likely have uncovered the truth, which is that the allegations were fabricated, a ploy get the Referee focused on what the Crusaders were doing. The whole episode has left a bitter distrust of the Bulls leadership and management and their motives.

The Bulls (and all other teams) have been warned that if they make allegations on the field leading to a white card, they MUST follow it up with official complaints post match, and if they don't they could find the players making the allegations on the field being suspended for bringing the game into disrepute.

 

[lucky number 7]

This is one serious case of butthurt right here....Someone get this fella a anoscomy examination!

Yes , definitely buthurt.

You just seem like a tool is all.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Poccock is getting that Phil Waugh look on his face when his side get's penalised against SA opponents, give him time and he will become as bitter in post match interviews.
Loving it

Looking forward to the Sharks against them on Saturday

 

[Ostrayian]

Sharks?

 

[Gena_ZA]

***Edit for the Win***, sorry was laughing and made the typo
Wishing it was the Stormers then they could get a real klap or two

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

The allegations against the Crusaders were pure bunkum, as evidenced by the fact that the Bulls never followed up on them. They pbviously realised that a full investgation by the Citing Commissioner and the SANZAR Judicial Officer would quite likely have uncovered the truth, which is that the allegations were fabricated, a ploy get the Referee focused on what the Crusaders were doing. The whole episode has left a bitter distrust of the Bulls leadership and management and their motives.

The Bulls (and all other teams) have been warned that if they make allegations on the field leading to a white card, they MUST follow it up with official complaints post match, and if they don't they could find the players making the allegations on the field being suspended for bringing the game into disrepute.

All I said is that the allegation was made. Which is was.

The highlighted bit is pure extrapolation though on your part. Nothing is/was proved/disproved conclusively. Only the players will know what happened if that as things happen in rucks without anyone knowing exactly what went where. My personal viewpoint is that something grazed the players' eyes but accidentally (could even be teammates). I can't see the Bulls payers using the 'ploy' you described and at the same time I can't see the Crusaders players intentionally gouging anyone.

I think the problem is the way in which the bulls players raised the issue as they should have followed the right procedures.

 

[smartcooky]

All I said is that the allegation was made. Which is was.

The highlighted bit is pure extrapolation though on your part. Nothing is/was proved/disproved conclusively. Only the players will know what happened if that as things happen in rucks without anyone knowing exactly what went where. My personal viewpoint is that something grazed the players' eyes but accidentally (could even be teammates). I can't see the Bulls payers using the 'ploy' you described and at the same time I can't see the Crusaders players intentionally gouging anyone.

I think the problem is the way in which the bulls players raised the issue as they should have followed the right procedures.

Sorry mate, but it is impossible to have been eye-gouged and not show some kind of medical evidence. The eye is THE most sensitive part of the body. FFS, even a small grain of sand getting in an eye causes reddening and irritation; when a big old dirty finger gets poked in there it causes mayhem... every time.

If the Bulls management had medical evidence, they WOULD have proceded with it. They didn't, so they couldn't, ergo, it never happened.

 

[admartian]

Sorry mate, but it is impossible to have been eye-gouged and not show some kind of medical evidence. The eye is THE most sensitive part of the body. FFS, even a small grain of sand getting in an eye causes reddening and irritation; when a big old dirty finger gets poked in there it causes mayhem... every time.



If the Bulls management had medical evidence, they WOULD have proceded with it. They didn't, so they couldn't, ergo, it never happened.

Dude! Spoiler tags next time!


That was hard to see.

 

[Larksea]

most of the eye gouges I've seen don't really amount to much in terms of injuries, I remember the whole Richard Loe/Greg Cooper thing. I was in school at the time and Brent (buck) Anderson (former All Black and Waikato great - still played for Waikato at the time) was a school teacher of mine and we had whole lessons talking about it at school - it looked very bad but Greg Cooper walked away pretty much uninjured. But there is the potential for the injury to be very bad.

Often eye injuries in games dont come from an eye gouge but I think if the player doesn't know what happened and there is no video maybe they think it was a gouge. Like when Higginbotham copped a stray hand in a crusaders tackle last weekend. totally accidental, but I can see circumstances where something like that could turn into an eye gouge claim.

that said if clear evidence like video backs up a claim like when Burger has been spotted (Heck I think I've seen three(?) different incidents of burger attacking another players eyes) I'd like to see some proper band being handed out. A few weeks on the sidelines is not enough - i'd like to see 6 month bans.

one of the worst I've seen recently was in the WC final vs. McCaw. That was pretty nasty, Rougerie lead with a head but then got a finger right in McCaw's eye and had a good rip at it. the video makes me sick.

the game would be better off without this sort of thing. the current stance seems to focus on brushing it under the rug or handing out small penalties so it doesn't get much attention.

 

[admartian]

most of the eye gouges I've seen don't really amount to much in terms of injuries, I remember the whole Richard Loe/Greg Cooper thing. I was in school at the time and Brent (buck) Anderson (former All Black and Waikato great - still played for Waikato at the time) was a school teacher of mine and we had whole lessons talking about it at school - it looked very bad but Greg Cooper walked away pretty much uninjured. But there is the potential for the injury to be very bad.

Often eye injuries in games dont come from an eye gouge but I think if the player doesn't know what happened and there is no video maybe they think it was a gouge. Like when Higginbotham copped a stray hand in a crusaders tackle last weekend. totally accidental, but I can see circumstances where something like that could turn into an eye gouge claim.

that said if clear evidence like video backs up a claim like when Burger has been spotted (Heck I think I've seen three(?) different incidents of burger attacking another players eyes) I'd like to see some proper band being handed out. A few weeks on the sidelines is not enough - i'd like to see 6 month bans.

one of the worst I've seen recently was in the WC final vs. McCaw. That was pretty nasty, Rougerie lead with a head but then got a finger right in McCaw's eye and had a good rip at it. the video makes me sick.

the game would be better off without this sort of thing. the current stance seems to focus on brushing it under the rug or handing out small penalties so it doesn't get much attention.

I think if players were allowed to ruck, this would help alleviate them trying to rid of their aggression (as if trying to tackle someone isn't enough).

Being semi-facetious though.

 

[smartcooky]

Dude! Spoiler tags next time!


That was hard to see.

Lucky I didn't post the other one then!!


PS: what spoiler tags?

 

[admartian]

Lucky I didn't post the other one then!!


PS: what spoiler tags?

Sorry. missed that.

Most of the forums I frequent have them and assumed this did too.