Yeah, I'm only messing. As you say, both fantastic players.
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Yeah, I'm only messing. As you say, both fantastic players.
Yup you only have to look at his international career after what he did to England it was amazing Scotland ever hired him. Still he managed to drive them into ground as well.Two words: Andy Robinson.
The man is not a good coach yet somehow always seems to avoid blame. Sides he is in charge of don't seem to have any composure under pressure.
Yup you only have to look at his international career after what he did to England it was amazing Scotland ever hired him. Still he managed to drive them into ground as well.
They had all year to prepare for this game. They had the experience of being squeezed out of the final last year by LW so should have been prepared with a gameplan to win the final.
They did not and this should be on the coaches. Especially (as Pat Sanderson said after the game) I doubt Woss were aiming to get promoted straight away and have a lot more work to do to get a prem level squad.
I'd say he's found his level, making flashy breaks and runs against weak opponents. In reality though he's a jumped up 7's player, and was exposed as such last week, or whenever he got a chance against big opposition for the Ospreys. Also his attitude absolutely sucks. I hope he doesn't come back to the Ospreys.
That's not how it works.
To say somehow the coach is to blame for a one point turn around is bonkers, that's how sport goes if there was no risk what would be the point?
Coaches are responsible for getting together a team that can win the competition... Bristol won the league stages and lost the final by 1 point.
So the simple fact is that Robinson had developed a good consistent squad, that plays good rugby and is capable of winning the competition.
How many times has he failed to get them out of the division with more resources than anyone else?
Twice iirc.
The point is he has put them in a position to win the competition every year.... He's won the league and missed out on promotion because of one off games.
It really annoys me when people dilute a coaches success down to one off results.
If we only judged coaches on your criteria guys like Mallinder, Brendan Venter and even Ian Mcgeechan would have been out of jobs years ago.
Jeez, you like to make sweeping conclusions about players very quickly don't you duck! You came to the same conclusion about Rhys Webb a few seasons ago, yet look what he's achieving now that he's matured a little.
We shouldn't be writing young players off so quickly. Along with Jordan Williams, Morgan is probably the most skilful player Wales has produced in recent years. They should be allowed opportunities and time to develop. Pivac doesn't seem to have the patience with Williams, which is a real pity imo, because he's supremely talented. Henry almost made the same mistake with Shane Williams, writing him off far too quickly, and we almost lost him from the game before his international career even got started.
Attitude may be an issue with both Morgan and Williams (from what I've heard), but Biggar's a good example of how a little maturity alters a players attitude. He's gone from being a rather petulant teenager, to a calm and mature adult over the space of the last few years. Sometimes these young stars, who have excelled at junior levels believe their own hype, and it takes them a while to adjust to professional rugby where things don't come so easily, but it doesn't mean they should be thrown on the scrap heap!
I don't necessarily think the Ospreys need Morgan back, as Biggar is class, and Davies is developing nicely. But the Scarlets & Dragons could do with some more depth at 10.
Agree with all of this.
That stuff about Biggar's 'attitude' was always a load of bôllocks from idiots who butthurt that a supposed 'kicking' 10 had displaced the people's hero Hook, a flawed fly half. The love in some have for Morgan comes from a similar vein. He's a flawed player and deficient in nearly every measure apart from ability to make flashy breaks. Biggar has the same attitude he's always had, difference now he's experienced and physically at his peak compared to as a teenager early 20's.
To compare Morgan to Shane is silly. People forget Shane worked really hard on his defence and things that he wasn't always so strong at. Morgan won't ever be a genuine contender for the Wales 10 jersey with the other talent like Patchell, Biggar and Owen Williams around. He should move to either the back three or go and be a 7's player.
Webb was god awful for years until mid last season as well, and I would have released him. He was so hapless following Fotuali'i tactics and control it was embarrassing. He's just thriving now with Biggar turned into a superb player and the game plan shifted from one where the scrum half was in charge of organising more plays.
I think it's more that he seemed to get flustered and frustrated and that led him to dip in his performances. I feel he's reeled it in a little bit and now has the much needed ability to move on from each passage of play without letting it bring him down when it goes wrong, whilst feeding on the right. His performances since around 2013 have skyrocketed with his positive determination. Then again, i don't think he had an attitude 'problem' per se, it's just that he's matured like all young men do.
You could argue that comparing any up-coming player with another established or retired legend is silly, but as you said yourself, Shane worked really hard on his weaker attributes in order to become the player he was. All we're saying is that there is little reason why Morgan cannot do the same. He has many of the same characteristics of Shane when he was learning his trade, maybe he just needs more time at a high level (i'd like him to play in the next summer intls or elite league) in order for him to work on and improve his weaknesses. 'But why is it silly to imagine what Morgan can do if he develops in a similar fashion? As we both said, Morgan would probably be better suited in the back three. I quite fancy him as a Winger, unless he gains the size to be a Full Back. However, he clearly can demonstrate the ability needed to be a top 10, he just needs to be given more time.
Surely your point about Webb being awful for years until mid last season proves the fact that players need to be given the chance to develop at a high competitive level in order to reach their full potential. As Dull said, if you just release young players who show potential but haven't got the consistency and confidence then we will end up with very few players who mature earlier, although it doesn't mean they will ultimately be better players. As you say, he was the understudy of Fortuali'i, so he needed time to establish himself and his bond with Biggar, who also needed that time as first choice 10 to get where he is.