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<blockquote data-quote="d1e1m" data-source="post: 387246" data-attributes="member: 40554"><p>While the Canes certainly do need Cruden to offset the average game of Kirkpatrick, he hasn't developed far enough to get back into the AB setup and the worst thing that could happen to him is to rush him back into any pressure situation. And the Canes really need some steel in that forward pack because even with their attack from anywhere style, they're only getting pushed back and pinned down everywhere on the field. It wasn't long ago that they had both Waldroms, Collins, Masoe (yes i know thats been a few years, but they had Mike Patterson and Scotty Waldrom with them last year) that at least ensured they were competitive at the breakdown. Maybe it's just that they're severely underperforming and playing very individualistically, regardless its sad watching a team that was a perennial contender just fall apart game after game.</p><p></p><p>On-topic, on this form, SBW looks miles better than Ma'a in every aspect of the game. While with Ma'a, you need to commit one or 2 defensively strong players most of the time, SBW requires at least 3 or 4 because the Saders don't just send 1 man running a line next to him, they send 2 or 3 (Guilford, Carter + Dagg or Maitland or Freuan) and he will find that open man 9/10 with very little risk of interception in the way he throws that flat and/or quick ball out right as the runner reaches him. </p><p></p><p>I've always maintained that the only credible litmus test for a prospective AB center is how they deal with the Stormers midfield of JdV, Fourie and De Jongh because I think that forms the strongest defensive mid in world rugby. Sure they're not going to bring offensive XFactor except for JdV snipes and fends but these men are not too far behind Conrad SMith in terms of discipline and defensive capability. If a NZ center can beat them, he can beat anybody.</p><p></p><p>edited: stupid spelling and grammar rules</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="d1e1m, post: 387246, member: 40554"] While the Canes certainly do need Cruden to offset the average game of Kirkpatrick, he hasn't developed far enough to get back into the AB setup and the worst thing that could happen to him is to rush him back into any pressure situation. And the Canes really need some steel in that forward pack because even with their attack from anywhere style, they're only getting pushed back and pinned down everywhere on the field. It wasn't long ago that they had both Waldroms, Collins, Masoe (yes i know thats been a few years, but they had Mike Patterson and Scotty Waldrom with them last year) that at least ensured they were competitive at the breakdown. Maybe it's just that they're severely underperforming and playing very individualistically, regardless its sad watching a team that was a perennial contender just fall apart game after game. On-topic, on this form, SBW looks miles better than Ma'a in every aspect of the game. While with Ma'a, you need to commit one or 2 defensively strong players most of the time, SBW requires at least 3 or 4 because the Saders don't just send 1 man running a line next to him, they send 2 or 3 (Guilford, Carter + Dagg or Maitland or Freuan) and he will find that open man 9/10 with very little risk of interception in the way he throws that flat and/or quick ball out right as the runner reaches him. I've always maintained that the only credible litmus test for a prospective AB center is how they deal with the Stormers midfield of JdV, Fourie and De Jongh because I think that forms the strongest defensive mid in world rugby. Sure they're not going to bring offensive XFactor except for JdV snipes and fends but these men are not too far behind Conrad SMith in terms of discipline and defensive capability. If a NZ center can beat them, he can beat anybody. edited: stupid spelling and grammar rules [/QUOTE]
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