A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

But then I've been Team Gilmour as its really his guitar playing that elevate Floyd's stuff.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I always thought Roger Waters was a bit of a secret nazi, hates jews and blames Nato and Ukraine for the war in Russia.

Blokes basically a musical JK Rowling.

Just reading the anti semitic stuff on wiki took me about 45 mins. lol.

Likes dressing up as a Nazi as well. Ha ha.

Seems like a total crack pot but then he is a musician so not like he should be taken seriously anyway, though I’m sure people do.

 

[ncurd]

Likes dressing up as a Nazi as well. Ha ha.

TBF on this one some people really need to understand the plot of The Wall

 

[Which Tyler]

But then I've been Team Gilmour as its really his guitar playing that elevate Floyd's stuff.

IMO, both are geniuses, but Gilmour by far the better human being.
I've always hated the argument (not necessarily yours) that because Dave is a genius, therefore Roger couldn't be (no-one seems to apply this to Lennon & McCartney, for example).

But then, I'm one of those who thinks that Final Cut is an excellent album - not necessarily musically (there's the odd bit here and there, but mostly very toned down) - but the concept, the story, the lyrics.

As for being a secret nazi, anti-Semite, blaming NATO etc...
He's really not the former, almost certainly is the 2nd, and the 3rd seems to be a misrepresentation of a weird, and extreme form of pacifism (which he shared with a fair few people) that suggested that just giving in to Russian aggression would be less horrendous than standing up and fighting back.
Still an utter twunt, of course.

TBF on this one some people really need to understand the plot of The Wall

And the Final Cut, and some of his solo stuff (most notably The Tide Is Turning)

 

[ncurd]

IMO, both are geniuses, but Gilmour by far the better human being.
I've always hated the argument (not necessarily yours) that because Dave is a genius, therefore Roger couldn't be.

But then, I'm one of those who thinks that Final Cut is an excellent album - not necessarily musically (there's the odd but here and there, but mostly very toned down) - but the concept, the story, the lyrics.

As for being a secret nazi, anti-Semite, blaming NATO etc...
He's really not the former, almost certainly is the 2nd, and the 3rd seems to be a misrepresentation of a weird, and extreme form of pacifism (which he shared with a fair few people) that suggested that just giving in to Russian aggression would be less horrendous than standing up and fighting back.
Still an utter twunt, of course.

I just look at that the Waltersless albums are great are pretty damn good whereas Gimourless ones (and those where he given up fighting with Walters ego) are less good.

Both pretty good guys either way.

 

[Which Tyler]

I just look at that the Wartersless albums are great are pretty damn good whereas Gilmourless ones (and those where he given up fighting with Walters ego) are less good.

Both really good musicians either way.

A] FTFY
B] IMO Final Cut > Division Bell > Momentary Lapse (I think we need to discount Piper and Syd's singles from this discussion) - BUT Final Cut is a much more complex album (story not musically), and a more emotionally damped down one. It's significantly harder to get into, especially with modern, distracted ears and preferences for singles and random-plays. Again, this is the story-telling element, rather than the soaring solos and sobbing guitars.
Equally (IMO) Roger's actual solo work is superior to Dave's - but neither are great, they both really needed Nick and Richard to elevate them out of their own arses.

 

[Saintjay]

Just reading the anti semitic stuff on wiki took me about 45 mins. lol.

Likes dressing up as a Nazi as well. Ha ha.

Seems like a total crack pot but then he is a musician so not like he should be taken seriously anyway, though I’m sure people do.

It's Cambridge we have form for producing world class weird people.

The cover for the Division Bell album was shot in a field near my house so that's kind of cool.

 

[Which Tyler]

It's Cambridge we have form for producing world class weird people.

Would that explain my Dad?
If Oxford is the same, then that's both my parents covered.


* Why they bought a time-share that involved a 6-hour car journey on boat-race weekend, I'll never know

 

[Welsh Exile]

It's Cambridge we have form for producing world class weird people.

The cover for the Division Bell album was shot in a field near my house so that's kind of cool.

I always thought as a kid Aberavon would be a great place to film a zombie movie.

 

[Which Tyler]

I always thought as a kid Aberavon would be a great place to film a zombie movie.

But... zombies eat brains... they'd starve!


<sorrynotsorry>

 

[Young Scud]

Does anyone actually disagree with Badenochs take here?

"The Conservative leader told the BBC that while she did not understand the legal basis for Donald Trump's operation to remove President Nicolás Maduro from the country, he was overseeing a "brutal regime" and she was "glad he's gone"

Doesnt this quote apply to pretty much all of us?

I disagree, and here's why; the co-architect of the 'brutal regime' appears to be his vice president, Delcy Rodríguez, albeit now working for Trump. Let's see how the Venezuelan people take that.

 

[Young Scud]

Oh dear
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Jaysus. They walk amongst us.

 

[big ginger 8]

IMO, both are geniuses, but Gilmour by far the better human being.
I've always hated the argument (not necessarily yours) that because Dave is a genius, therefore Roger couldn't be (no-one seems to apply this to Lennon & McCartney, for example).

But then, I'm one of those who thinks that Final Cut is an excellent album - not necessarily musically (there's the odd bit here and there, but mostly very toned down) - but the concept, the story, the lyrics.

As for being a secret nazi, anti-Semite, blaming NATO etc...
He's really not the former, almost certainly is the 2nd, and the 3rd seems to be a misrepresentation of a weird, and extreme form of pacifism (which he shared with a fair few people) that suggested that just giving in to Russian aggression would be less horrendous than standing up and fighting back.
Still an utter twunt, of course.



And the Final Cut, and some of his solo stuff (most notably The Tide Is Turning)

The far-left in Ireland has a similar view about Ukraine and stuff like our neutrality. Basically consider it a moral point and that any increased militarisation or erosion of the triple lock is a dangerous step.

 

[Which Tyler]

The far-left in Ireland has a similar view about Ukraine and stuff like our neutrality. Basically consider it a moral point and that any increased militarisation or erosion of the triple lock is a dangerous step.

Yeah, I don't agree with him, but it is (was) a valid perspective, especially for someone scarred by war, and terrified of nuclear holocaust

 

[dirty harry]

I disagree, and here's why; the co-architect of the 'brutal regime' appears to be his vice president, Delcy Rodríguez, albeit now working for Trump. Let's see how the Venezuelan people take that.

Thats very valid, she is a Maduro loyalist... but lets be honest shes cheap labour at this point, its easier, and pain free to use her than full regime change from the off.

Just because shes Maduro 2, doesnt mean Maduro being gone isnt a good first step though.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Would that explain my Dad?
If Oxford is the same, then that's both my parents covered.


* Why they bought a time-share that involved a 6-hour car journey on boat-race weekend, I'll never know

@General Melchett what would you say about Oxford?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[Saintjay]

Page 94 The Private Eye Podcast has the whole show if people like that sort of thing

Was very funny, just wish they did weekly episodes.

 

[Vaquer]

would be mildly funny that the special relationship resulted in us being the launch pad for an invasion of Greenland.

The UK has a special relationship with the US. The US has a special relationship with everyone.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

BBC News - Oligarch linked to bribery paid Andrew £15m for mansion

Andrew was paid millions by oligarch with funds from firm linked to bribery scheme

Firm which part-funded Sunninghill Park purchase received "allegedly corrupt" payments, court documents say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just how much illegal activity can this guy be linked to before he actually charged with something? Or are we mere peasants existed to know our place and that our superior overlords should never justice.