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A Political Thread pt. 2

Actually and this sums up my point. Dirty Harry saying look at these random nobodies calling people bad names when in the west we have a leader of the free world who’s whole schtick is to call political opponents and voters all kind of bad names but that’s jokes isn’t it, it’s funny. But when ncurd does it on a rugby forum with like 12 people it’s the worst offence in the world. It’s pushing people towards voting reform or whatever. It’s laughable.
 
I'll give you an example, a recent service user was assaulted and robbed by a group of young Asian men, he reported it to the police and used racist and anti Islamic terminology while heightened, an officer called him racist and it escalated to an arrest. When released this YP went on a racist online mission, and was again criminalised for malicious communication, he further entrenched himself into online groups, and was being radicalised. None of the many agencies involved with him showed any real empathy toward him, until an Asian support assistant said the words 'I don't think your racist, but...'
Yeah,and if it would have been about Russians,then everyone would have been ok with it. What a hypocrisy
 
Racism and poverty go hand in hand. It's easy to sell the "it's all immigrants fault" to people who don't have a great deal and walk down Grimsby high street everyday seeing everything close down. What I will say to that is there a lot of people who aren't poor, who have had good long lives, have benefited from cheap houses and still seem to think immigrants are the blame for all their hardships and lap up the ******** the Daily Mail comes out with. My parents for example along with my Aunt's and uncles. These people benefited from the war their parents fought in and the change those parents demanded when that war was over, yet paint themselves as victims to the lefty elite blah blah blah. I have no sympathy for that perspective and call it out whenever someone like my dad goes on about "all our problems are down to Pakistani taxi drivers robbing red diesel"

I'm from a working class but pretty conservative background, self employed Maggie loving parents, military service, Rugby player, shooting, Fisherman. I used to be very pro Brexit even having proper rows with certain people on here (not the crappy wumming rubbish harry tries to initiate) about it so I understand people's viewpoint on voting reform because a decade ago I would have voted UKIP despite being married to a Pole. It's easy to listen to simple answers to complicated questions and because people like Farage are not polished politicians that does have an appeal to some people, I'm not saying that I agree with that but it's unfortunately true.

Because of growing inequality Reform and other far right groups are winning the culture and social media war and until the mainstream parties and media start taking this seriously we will see this continued move to the far right. It's not the first time this has happened, growing up in the 80s, seeing National Front marches, in the 00s seeing BNP councilors elected but the difference now is social media, yes you had the right wing ranters on Radio and the Daily Mail has always been there but social media had magnified everything. Twitter is a ******* **** pit as is most comments sections on YouTube. It's also been exploited by foreign governments who want to destabilise this country, how is it that siding with Ukraine or getting vacancies is all of a sudden such a controversial thing? Simple, social media is intentionally flooded with contrarian views designed to cause mistrust and bad feelings.

The progressive parties in the UK and Europe (couldn't give a **** about America) need to start getting their messages out there and as much as it will upset some people they need the likes of an Alistair Campbell to spin this stuff and go toe to toe with these idiots on GB News. They also need to forget about people like my parents because they will never vote Labour so why bother.
 
Vote reform you could be seen as a racist, vote Labour you could be a Transphobe or certainly not a trans allie, Greens a woke CND pacifist, Libdems a hater of women and girls, and lastly vote Tory there's a special place in hell waiting for you.

Got to love politics. I was never a Corbyn fan but yeah kinder and respectful politics seems a long time ago.
 
Actually and this sums up my point. Dirty Harry saying look at these random nobodies calling people bad names when in the west we have a leader of the free world who's whole schtick is to call political opponents and voters all kind of bad names but that's jokes isn't it, it's funny. But when ncurd does it on a rugby forum with like 12 people it's the worst offence in the world. It's pushing people towards voting reform or whatever. It's laughable.
Its the whole
Person: "I'm voting for the person who says unhinged ****/racist stuff"
Me: "Well if you vote for them I'll consider you endorsing the unhinged ****/racism"
Person "**** you I'm doing it anyway"
Me: "Well your a racist then"
Person: "waah don't call me a racist why would I vote your beliefs if you going to call me that"
 
Racism and poverty go hand in hand. It's easy to sell the "it's all immigrants fault" to people who don't have a great deal and walk down Grimsby high street everyday seeing everything close down. What I will say to that is there a lot of people who aren't poor, who have had good long lives, have benefited from cheap houses and still seem to think immigrants are the blame for all their hardships and lap up the ******** the Daily Mail comes out with. My parents for example along with my Aunt's and uncles. These people benefited from the war their parents fought in and the change those parents demanded when that war was over, yet paint themselves as victims to the lefty elite blah blah blah. I have no sympathy for that perspective and call it out whenever someone like my dad goes on about "all our problems are down to Pakistani taxi drivers robbing red diesel"

I'm from a working class but pretty conservative background, self employed Maggie loving parents, military service, Rugby player, shooting, Fisherman. I used to be very pro Brexit even having proper rows with certain people on here (not the crappy wumming rubbish harry tries to initiate) about it so I understand people's viewpoint on voting reform because a decade ago I would have voted UKIP despite being married to a Pole. It's easy to listen to simple answers to complicated questions and because people like Farage are not polished politicians that does have an appeal to some people, I'm not saying that I agree with that but it's unfortunately true.

Because of growing inequality Reform and other far right groups are winning the culture and social media war and until the mainstream parties and media start taking this seriously we will see this continued move to the far right. It's not the first time this has happened, growing up in the 80s, seeing National Front marches, in the 00s seeing BNP councilors elected but the difference now is social media, yes you had the right wing ranters on Radio and the Daily Mail has always been there but social media had magnified everything. Twitter is a ******* **** pit as is most comments sections on YouTube. It's also been exploited by foreign governments who want to destabilise this country, how is it that siding with Ukraine or getting vacancies is all of a sudden such a controversial thing? Simple, social media is intentionally flooded with contrarian views designed to cause mistrust and bad feelings.

The progressive parties in the UK and Europe (couldn't give a **** about America) need to start getting their messages out there and as much as it will upset some people they need the likes of an Alistair Campbell to spin this stuff and go toe to toe with these idiots on GB News. They also need to forget about people like my parents because they will never vote Labour so why bother.
Well said
 
Vote reform you could be seen as a racist, vote Labour you could be a Transphobe or certainly not a trans allie, Greens a woke CND pacifist, Libdems a hater of women and girls, and lastly vote Tory there's a special place in hell waiting for you.

Got to love politics. I was never a Corbyn fan but yeah kinder and respectful politics seems a long time ago.
Lib Dem haters of women and girls? Is it because they tolerable on LGBTQIA+ rights? Cause I remember Tim Farron as leader...(TBF that affair ****** off so many members)
 
Its the whole
Person: "I'm voting for the person who says unhinged ****/racist stuff"
Me: "Well if you vote for them I'll consider you endorsing the unhinged ****/racism"
Person "**** you I'm doing it anyway"
Me: "Well your a racist then"
Person: "waah don't call me a racist why would I vote your beliefs if you going to call me that"
Umm I'm going to say something you might not like but have had these discussions with you long enough to know you can take it. I agree with what you say above but there have been times when you have jumped on people for having different opinions to you in a way that isn't constructive. The best example I can think of was a row you had with Becca on trans stuff a while ago. Becca is a woman and expressed some concerns from her perspective (a perspective you will never understand) to which you kinda just jumped on her and called her transphobic. That's not helpful to anyone and I know you are very passionate about that subject but all that chain of thought does is cause division.
 
Umm I'm going to say something you might not like but have had these discussions with you long enough to know you can take it. I agree with what you say above but there have been times when you have jumped on people for having different opinions to you in a way that isn't constructive. The best example I can think of was a row you had with Becca on trans stuff a while ago. Becca is a woman and expressed some concerns from her perspective (a perspective you will never understand) to which you kinda just jumped on her and called her transphobic. That's not helpful to anyone and I know you are very passionate about that subject but all that chain of thought does is cause division.
I wouldn't disagree with that assessment.
 
Lib Dem haters of women and girls? Is it because they tolerable on LGBTQIA+ rights? Cause I remember Tim Farron as leader...(TBF that affair ****** off so many members)
Farron was a disaster for a party that claims to be progressive. There's a few in the Greens that have similar issues
 
To be fair to the greens they had a lot of really positive ideas that they were starting to get the message across about. What f****d them was their leaders publically saying stuff about turbines and what not but just not in their own constituencies, from there it was easy for farage et al to discredit their plans because why would wind power be any good if you don't want it for your constituents? If they sorted out their leadership arrangements they could be a real alternative on the left to labour - as evidenced by the GE results. the LD's seem to be picking up council seats from the soft tories so my guess is next election they will focus on former labour voters on the left and position themselves as 'new' new labour
 
To be fair to the greens they had a lot of really positive ideas that they were starting to get the message across about. What f****d them was their leaders publically saying stuff about turbines and what not but just not in their own constituencies, from there it was easy for farage et al to discredit their plans because why would wind power be any good if you don't want it for your constituents? If they sorted out their leadership arrangements they could be a real alternative on the left to labour - as evidenced by the GE results. the LD's seem to be picking up council seats from the soft tories so my guess is next election they will focus on former labour voters on the left and position themselves as 'new' new labour
Greens and Lib Den NIMBYism is a big issue,
 

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