A Political Thread pt. 2

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Ah ok I get you I missed the point entirely sorry

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I do find it crazy the left reactions to Stramer given how strong his first 48 hours or so has been.
Just smacks of cutting your nose to spite the face.

Especially the likes of Owen Jones who I swear was pretty scathing of Corbyn in 2015-16.
The left inability to compromise and work long term, is always going to be it's biggest hindrance in pretty much every western country. Interested to see what happens in France

 

[Amiga500]

The left inability to compromise and work long term, is always going to be it's biggest hindrance in pretty much every western country. Interested to see what happens in France

 

[Bada-Bing!]

‘Disproportionate’ UK election results boost calls to ditch first past the post

Campaigners for electoral reform say outcome has renewed pressure for proportional representation

www.theguardian.com

 

[ncurd]

I do find it crazy the left reactions to Stramer given how strong his first 48 hours or so has been.
Just smacks of cutting your nose to spite the face.

Especially the likes of Owen Jones who I swear was pretty scathing of Corbyn in 2015-16.
The left inability to compromise and work long term, is always going to be it's biggest hindrance in pretty much every western country. Interested to see what happens in France

I have a friend who was going round saying there was no hope because Starmer would be super authoritarian in everyone post that was showing mild hope.

He's been pretty quiet since the Timpson appointment.

 

[Which Tyler]

I have a friend who was going round saying there was no hope because Starmer would be super authoritarian in everyone post that was showing mild hope.

He's been pretty quiet since the Timpson appointment.

My radical left friend, who ditched his labour membership and went to campaign for Corbyn, has said.... that he was impressed with how Starmer handled the victory in his speeches, has some hope from the appointment of actual experts, and is actually pleased that he felt his first priority was to visit Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast.
He was not expecting this. He was not ready for this. He's not warming to Starmer, but seems willing to give him time and reassess his previous opinions.
He hasn't got as far as wondering whether Starmer actually had a good strategy in removing Corbyn, and giving the press no ammunition to fire at him; but he's giving him time.

I think the last 72 hours might be the longest he's ever gone to not refer to Starmer as "that tory plant" or similar.

 

[General Melchett]

As far as I can see Starmer has had a flawless first 48-72 hours. He has said all the right things, got his priorities bang on and has made clear that his Govt will be one of service. It's like night and day when you compare him to Johnson and Truss.

Truss reportedly said she was too busy to meet with national security advisors who were waiting to be updated on crucial scenarios like what her response would be in the event of a nuclear attack. She also refused to visit the home nations soon after becoming PM and inflamed relations with Edinburgh by calling Nicola Sturgeon an attention seeker just to appease her right wing supporters.

Starmer has been a breath of fresh air. I don't care if people think he's dull. We need someone serious and dependable steering the ship as opposed to a circus clown or media performer with no substance. If someone in his Government does anything silly that warrants the sack (and it will happen at some point) I don't think he'll hesitate to act especially with that majority. Also good to see him appointing experts who know what they're doing rather than jobs for the boys. Last think he'll want is people saying they're not any better than the last lot.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Bet Owen Jones is absolutely raging after the last few days

 

[McTallshort]

Bet Owen Jones is absolutely raging after the last few days

You often wonder what people like him actually want. Does he want the Tories to still be in power? Would that be better to him than a centre left Labour government? Would he prefer that as until the Labour party was pure in it's socialism that they should never be elected?

Seriously mate give your head a wobble

 

[Saintjay]

Starmers had a reasonable start not doubt. I'll be keen to see how things go with the BLM, local government funding, relationships with the EU, immigration etc. Which is going to take time.

It'll be better to judge once the cabinet get there teeth into the real issues facing the country. Fingers crossed it'll be more solutions than problems. I doubt it'll be worse than the last government.

As for Jones and co i think they are framing it as a victory for the left with Corbyn, Green Mp's and Pro Gaza independents winning.

 

[ncurd]

As far as I can see Starmer has had a flawless first 48-72 hours.

I think to be fair he's had roughly 6 months of planning for this. I think someone said his movements for the first 3-4 weeks are carefully choreographed and they know his every movement.

The proof of his success will be how he manages outside the initial period but its clear he has no interested in resting on his laurels.

 

[General Melchett]

I think to be fair he's had roughly 6 months of planning for this. I think someone said his movements for the first 3-4 weeks are carefully choreographed and they know his every movement.

The proof of his success will be how he manages outside the initial period but its clear he has no interested in resting on his laurels.

After what we've seen in the past five years I'm not taking careful planning for granted as it shows that both he and the people around him know what they're doing especially when you compare it to Dominic Cummings' appointment for example. Also, he has had to execute everything well and take questions from the media.

There are going to be bumps in the road but so far it's a refreshing change from what we are used to.

 

[Reiser99]

I'm going to judge on actions and so far he's talking the way I would want any prime minister to talk. Politics should be a public service role and that's something the Tories have never shown. All they cared about is power and how to keep it so they could then abuse that power. It won't be easy, but at least he's started with some good foundations. Next it's getting the legislation done needed to start the changes and to assess the impact.

 

[ncurd]

You often wonder what people like him actually want. Does he want the Tories to still be in power?

The issue with them is they frame Labour as Red Tories they create an idea its exactly the same with zero difference.

I've long said its pragmatism vs idealism in reality. I'm sure Starmer would love to implement the 2019 manifesto but he knows he can't, my main worry is him being too pragmatic.

 

[Which Tyler]

Largest UK public sector trial of four-day week sees huge benefits, research finds

Exclusive: South Cambridgeshire experiment led to fewer refuse collectors quitting and faster planning decisions

www.theguardian.com

Of course, telegraph and mail are completely ignoring this, in favour of the failed Asda trial (4x 11-hour days resulting in burnout; therefore a 4-day week is ideological claptrap that doesn't stand up to scrutiny (if you deliberately sabotage the trial))

 

[Saintjay]

Largest UK public sector trial of four-day week sees huge benefits, research finds

Exclusive: South Cambridgeshire experiment led to fewer refuse collectors quitting and faster planning decisions

www.theguardian.com

Of course, telegraph and mail are completely ignoring this, in favour of the failed Asda trial (4x 11-hour days resulting in burnout; therefore a 4-day week is ideological claptrap that doesn't stand up to scrutiny (if you deliberately sabotage the trial))

The Mail and Tory party were all over it at first. Desperately trying to get it stopped and threatening funding. The Tory MP ran on the back of stopping it.

The trial hasn't stopped and is on going. Personally i don't think it'll change. Good on South Cambs.

 

[Which Tyler]

GB News snubbed by Labour and we're so here for it

GB News is getting snubbed by the Labour Party as Sir Keir Starmer's new administration prepares to roll out its legislative agenda.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

GB News snubbed by Labour and we're so here for it

GB News is getting snubbed by the Labour Party as Sir Keir Starmer's new administration prepares to roll out its legislative agenda.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Always the way, the far right do something for years and call others snowflakes for opposing it but then cry louder than anyone else when those same stunts are done back to them in response.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I think to be fair he's had roughly 6 months of planning for this. I think someone said his movements for the first 3-4 weeks are carefully choreographed and they know his every movement.

The proof of his success will be how he manages outside the initial period but its clear he has no interested in resting on his laurels.

Yep. Open goal, but he's no Ronnie Rosenthal.

No doubt he's honest, sincere, diligent and serious. But that should be a rock bottom minimum requirement not the highish bar that it's being seen as thanks to what's gone before.

He's got plenty of big issues to deal with, but he's also got a large parliamentary party to control. Let's see how he copes when some screw up (which they will) and when factions develop (which they will).

He's not Bidenesque but he's also our oldest new PM in a while and the job's demanding and visibly ages people. Let's see how the energy levels hold up.

But so far so good.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

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