A Political Thread pt. 2

[Gavin]

What's the context for this?

The Republicans saying one thing then distancing themselves from it in the clip?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

What's the context for this?

The Republicans saying one thing then distancing themselves from it in the clip?

Republicans are refusing to raise the debt ceiling and are using it to blackmail Biden and the Democrats into making massive cuts or the whole government shuts down. Funny how Republicans keep playing this game but, when Trump absolutely exploded the debt, Republicans didn't say a word and Democrats didn't play any games with the debt ceiling.

Part of what was being proposed is cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid, highly unpopular decisions but ones wealthy benefactors would love to see go through. It will be a case of Republicans trying to force through an unpopular and damaging proposal and then blaming the Democrats. A Republican called Rick Scott had tabled a proposal that all spending should have a sunset clause, ie it would automatically expire after a set amount of time unless the spending was renewed. It has mixed support among Republicans.

By bringing that up, Republicans leapt at the opportunity to call him a liar and throw accusations at him. Of course that footage of them going so over the top in their denial they would do anything to social security, medicare or medicaid will be used against them should they ever decide to go after those programs. I wouldn't even say it was much of a trap, but the Republicans at the moment are so thick and so vindictive that they gave Biden a perfect opportunity to put them in a bind. They also couldn't do all that and then not applaud him saying that there was unanimous consent they would not be touched.

A perfect hoisted by their own petard.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[McTallshort]

Notorious Russian nationalist Igor Mangushev shot dead in Ukraine

Igor Mangushev was shot in the head and his killing sparks speculation about who was to blame.

www.bbc.co.uk

Looks like Wagner are cleaning up the other Russian private contractors. I think any loss of life is tragic. It's just some aren't as tragic as others.

 

[ncurd]

 

[Welsh Exile]

I wonder what % of people would vote to bring the death penalty back if you put it to them in a referendum, any guesses? The pessimist in me would say you'd probably have 60% plus saying yes but maybe it'd be more likely around the 25%-30% region

 

[ncurd]

Its hard to get real figures 54% for convicted terrorists.

Slight Increase in Support for Death Penalty for Convicted Terrorists

It has been over 50 years since capital punishment was used in the UK, though it was only fully abolished in 1998. But some proponents of the death penalty …

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Of course that's an emotional response to an emotional question. My version would be "Should the state murder people?" I suspect I'll get far less than 54% for that.

I don't think much like Brexit people engage with the question enough you only have to watch Hislop's infamous taking down of Patel on the matter to see how it falls apart like a house of cards. Because people don't consider what happens with a miscarriage of justice.

 

[Which Tyler]

For anyone that hasn't seen it

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

There have been some bad MPs but seriously, how could someone like this get elected?

Jared O'Mara: The MP who went from obscurity to criminality

Disgraced former MP Jared O'Mara's downfall came almost as swiftly as his unlikely rise.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Saintjay]

People don't commit crime if they are executed. It's a shame the loon can't get his head around the fact the UK executed some people who hadn't committed any crime at all.

 

[McTallshort]

People don't commit crime if they are executed. It's a shame the loon can't get his head around the fact the UK executed some people who hadn't committed any crime at all.

Or domestic abuse victims

 

[ncurd]

There have been some bad MPs but seriously, how could someone like this get elected?

I think the real question is how could someone like him get selected. Okay I know how,

Finding candidates in elections is bloody hard especially in areas where your main job is getting an ass kicking by the high profile current member of parliament.
Mr. Clegg and LD's enjoyed since 1997 over 50% of the popular vote and in the purging of LD's in 2005 still kept his job. In 2017 May calls a snap election and Sheffield Hallam Labour need someone quick to make sure Labour have a person on the ballot. Enter one Jared who doesn't go through the normal vetting process as he's going to lose anyway.

The elected bit is easier Clegg no longer a party leader and deputy PM looses the votes that would of given him. That with his staunch anti-Brexit stance, May running a terrible campaign and Corbyn doing the best you could expect him to do. Is just enough to push Jared over the line before anyone realise what a fucker he really is.

 

[General Melchett]

I think the real question is how could someone like him get selected. Okay I know how,

Finding candidates in elections is bloody hard especially in areas where your main job is getting an ass kicking by the high profile current member of parliament.
Mr. Clegg and LD's enjoyed since 1997 over 50% of the popular vote and in the purging of LD's in 2005 still kept his job. In 2017 May calls a snap election and Sheffield Hallam Labour need someone quick to make sure Labour have a person on the ballot. Enter one Jared who doesn't go through the normal vetting process as he's going to lose anyway.

The elected bit is easier Clegg no longer a party leader and deputy PM looses the votes that would of given him. That with his staunch anti-Brexit stance, May running a terrible campaign and Corbyn doing the best you could expect him to do. Is just enough to push Jared over the line before anyone realise what a fucker he really is.

That Corbyn performance at the snap election was scary. Yes May was awkward, unelectable and there was a Brexit protest vote in play but so many people just voted for Corbyn because he was an underdog in a worn out old suit. People assumed he was our answer to Bernie Sanders and didn't even bother to look into his beliefs and what he stood for.

 

[Reiser99]

I think the real question is how could someone like him get selected. Okay I know how,

Finding candidates in elections is bloody hard especially in areas where your main job is getting an ass kicking by the high profile current member of parliament.
Mr. Clegg and LD's enjoyed since 1997 over 50% of the popular vote and in the purging of LD's in 2005 still kept his job. In 2017 May calls a snap election and Sheffield Hallam Labour need someone quick to make sure Labour have a person on the ballot. Enter one Jared who doesn't go through the normal vetting process as he's going to lose anyway.

The elected bit is easier Clegg no longer a party leader and deputy PM looses the votes that would of given him. That with his staunch anti-Brexit stance, May running a terrible campaign and Corbyn doing the best you could expect him to do. Is just enough to push Jared over the line before anyone realise what a fucker he really is.

That Corbyn performance at the snap election was scary. Yes May was awkward, unelectable and there was a Brexit protest vote in play but so many people just voted for Corbyn because he was an underdog in a worn out old suit. People assumed he was our answer to Bernie Sanders and didn't even bother to look into his beliefs and what he stood for.

There's also the simple fact that many people would have just voted labour and have had no idea who their local candidate was.

 

[ncurd]

There's also the simple fact that many people would have just voted labour and have had no idea who their local candidate was.

Oh that's always the case people pick party rather than person except in specific local circumstances.

 

[Which Tyler]

Our of interest, I'm sure these two things are entirely unrelated... right?

ECHR asks Britain to respond to election interference legal claim

The European Court of Human Rights on Thursday requested a response from the British government to a legal claim brought by three lawmakers who accuse it of failing to properly investigate alleged Russian interference in elections.

www.reuters.com

Tory MPs to push for UK exit from European convention on human rights

Reports say Rishi Sunak is considering proposal, backed by several ministers, to allow crackdown on migration

www.theguardian.com

 

[General Melchett]

I think it would be really valuable if schools taught kids more about our electoral system, political parties and basically the responsibilities of being a voter. I know some of that may be covered by some optional subjects but it would be good if it was made mandatory in order to get kids interested in politics from a young age.

There is far too much uninformed / ill informed voting going on and it's mainly down to voter laziness and all the BS that we are fed through the media. It would be good if we taught kids the importance of investing a bit of time looking into what political parties stand for. It would hopefully lead to more informed voting which would you hope would give fairer election results.

 

[Reiser99]

I think it would be really valuable if schools taught kids more about our electoral system, political parties and basically the responsibilities of being a voter. I know some of that may be covered by some optional subjects but it would be good if it was made mandatory in order to get kids interested in politics from a young age.

There is far too much uninformed / ill informed voting going on and it's mainly down to voter laziness and all the BS that we are fed through the media. It would be good if we taught kids the importance of investing a bit of time looking into what political parties stand for. It would hopefully lead to more informed voting which would you hope would give fairer election results.

I remember when I was at uni in the 2010 election. I heard so much stuff like "I was expecting to see Cameron, Clegg and Brown's faces on the ballot box." They honestly had no idea how the system worked and these were supposed to be people clever enough to go to university. It's simply a lack of education and it's not just on elections.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think it would be really valuable if schools taught kids more about our electoral system, political parties and basically the responsibilities of being a voter. I know some of that may be covered by some optional subjects but it would be good if it was made mandatory in order to get kids interested in politics from a young age.

There is far too much uninformed / ill informed voting going on and it's mainly down to voter laziness and all the BS that we are fed through the media. It would be good if we taught kids the importance of investing a bit of time looking into what political parties stand for. It would hopefully lead to more informed voting which would you hope would give fairer election results.

Unfortunately I could see it being a failure. Many people in this country simply don't care and trying to force them to care won't change it. Just look at any PSHE (or whatever it is called now) class and see how it's treated as a joke.

 

[General Melchett]

Unfortunately I could see it being a failure. Many people in this country simply don't care and trying to force them to care won't change it. Just look at any PSHE (or whatever it is called now) class and see how it's treated as a joke.

I would tend to look at it more glass half full. Even if it got 20-30%+ kids more interested then it would be better than nothing. It might even get them excited about casting their very first vote and stop them falling into the trap of voting for who their parents vote for. Many kids in my class weren't interested in maths or English but still had to attend lessons.