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[2025 Six Nations] France vs Wales - 31/01/25

Wales ending up with a Watkin-Tompkins pairing when centre is one of the few areas where they actually have some strong talent is nuts.
You know, I'm not a Tompkins fan, but I think it would have been easy to rush Eddie James in at 13, Tompkins will prove weak defending at 13, but Adam's and Liam Williams hopefully can manage that, and at least he has gas.

I genuinely think it would have been easier to select Edward's, James etc for this game, but that would have been a mistake
 
I'm not sure I have it in me to watch this game.

At least in real time, anyway.
I remember that feeling in 2019 watching the Calcutta cup. It was 31 down at 31 mins, truly depressing and I was about to switch off. Then came the greatest comeback in rugby history to one of the most thrilling games I'd ever seen.

So all may not be lost.
 
I remember that feeling in 2019 watching the Calcutta cup. It was 31 down at 31 mins, truly depressing and I was about to switch off. Then came the greatest comeback in rugby history to one of the most thrilling games I'd ever seen.

So all may not be lost.
The greatest almost comeback I'd say... draw can't be considered a comeback.

Wales v Scotland has to be the greatest surely, they won it.
 
The greatest almost comeback I'd say... draw can't be considered a comeback.

Wales v Scotland has to be the greatest surely, they won it.
Which Wales v Scotland?

An unanswered 38 points from 31-0 down to end in a draw in the last minute is easily the greatest comeback.

From wiki:

Notes:

This was the highest-scoring draw in international rugby history at 76 total points scored.

This was the first time England had conceded a try bonus point in the Six Nations; they became the final team to do so since bonus points were introduced in 2017.

Scotland retained the Calcutta Cup; this was the first time since 1984 they had done so, and the first time since 1989 they had not lost to England at Twickenham (the 1989 match was also a draw).

The 24-point half-time deficit (and 31-point deficit after 30 minutes) Scotland turned around, was the largest comeback for a draw in international rugby history, beating their own previous record against Wales in 2001.

With Jonny May's try in the 31st minute, England earned the fastest bonus point try in the Six Nations, beating the previous record they set against Italy the previous week.

Scotland's six tries were the most they had scored in a match at Twickenham.
 
I'm afraid the schools in Wales don't even teach the kids to count high enough for how big the margin of loss will be. 13 for Wales and 100+ for France
Blimey, I thought I was going over the top with saying France by 65!. As poor as Wales are, I'd be absolutely shocked if they conceded over 100 points. That sort of score would just be silly.
 
Which Wales v Scotland?

An unanswered 38 points from 31-0 down to end in a draw in the last minute is easily the greatest comeback.

From wiki:

Notes:

This was the highest-scoring draw in international rugby history at 76 total points scored.

This was the first time England had conceded a try bonus point in the Six Nations; they became the final team to do so since bonus points were introduced in 2017.

Scotland retained the Calcutta Cup; this was the first time since 1984 they had done so, and the first time since 1989 they had not lost to England at Twickenham (the 1989 match was also a draw).

The 24-point half-time deficit (and 31-point deficit after 30 minutes) Scotland turned around, was the largest comeback for a draw in international rugby history, beating their own previous record against Wales in 2001.

With Jonny May's try in the 31st minute, England earned the fastest bonus point try in the Six Nations, beating the previous record they set against Italy the previous week.

Scotland's six tries were the most they had scored in a match at Twickenham.
But you get the comeback doesn't count if they blow the win in the dying minutes...

Technically, Scotland miraculously came back from 31 points down, to lose their lead. Or, England blew a 31 point lead, before coming back in the dying seconds...

Face it, as much as I enjoyed that game, the magic, the records, and the drama, Scotland failed to complete a comeback, and managed to blow a lead in the dying seconds.

I think the biggest comebacks were officially Wales v England, Wales v France, Wales v Scotland, and Italy v FrNce I think.

Scotland have blown 2, that England one, and one against Wales 20 odd years ago, when they came back from 21 down to only draw.
 
Looking forward to this for a casual watch.

Don't expect a match of course which is disappointing in what has been arguably the most entertaining fixture in the 6n era.

But if there's a team that make a one sided game nearly as entertaining as a close one it's France.

Hoping from a Welsh POV that this is the end of Gatland, I can get on board a resurgence once he goes. He's only been delighted to make himself the most hated man to Irish rugby fans over the years so I don't care for now!
 
Looking forward to this for a casual watch.

Don't expect a match of course which is disappointing in what has been arguably the most entertaining fixture in the 6n era.

But if there's a team that make a one sided game nearly as entertaining as a close one it's France.

Hoping from a Welsh POV that this is the end of Gatland, I can get on board a resurgence once he goes. He's only been delighted to make himself the most hated man to Irish rugby fans over the years so I don't care for now!
I don't understand the hysterical hatred of Gatland, what he's accomished has been incredible, he's incredibly well respected by almost every single person he's worked with, a few gobby hobbies aside, and the loyalty he's shown to players and teams over the years is incredibly impressive (even if I didn't agree with is sometimes).

All the media furore is laughable, there isn't a coach in world rugby who would have done a better job than he did with his first wales stint, or even since his return.

When you consider he returned months before a RWC, had to deal with player threats to strike, change in leadership, numerous controversies, a lack of talent, and finally, the thing very few people have talked about, the missing of key players.

I was chatting to a colleague recently and he made the claim Wales have had a horror 2 years since the RWC player wise, and when we talked it through he had a valuable point...

1. Wales had 8 retirements after the RWC (and 3 key ones just before). Now this isn't unusual, but 11 in 1 season is a lot. Compare that to England's 3 (I think).

2. Left Wales/became unavailable. LRZ obviously left rugby, but at least 5 other key players moved and became inelligible basically, to either Japan, France, or in the case of Hawkins England.

3. Injury issues. Numerous important players have had ongoing injury issues for 2 years, Falatau and Adam's both first choice have essentially been sideline for all that period, Beard, Lake, Elias, Grady, are all sidelined now, Leon Brown who would have been an upgrade on any other tight head has been retired through injury leading into his peak years, young up and comers have been hampered like Mann, Mathias and recently O'connor through injuries.

So by my reckoning Wales lost 17+ players in a period of just over a season, have had 5/6 long term injuries over 2 seasons to key players, and currently have at least 6/7 starters missing.

Wales havnt just gone into meltdown pre RWC internally, or had a player drain, or had an injury crisis, or even started a rebuild, they have all these issues ongoing at the same time.

I said post RWC, Gatland, (and Borthwick) did incredibly well to stable a sinking ship 2023, and has gone on a 12 game losing streak after losing nearly half a match day squad to retirement, most of that squad being leaders, then losing another half a squad to injuries, a few key players tipped for stardom, and replacing them with a talent pool of players who have played about as many pro games as my nan did, and in 3 or 4 occasions players who my dead nan has won as many professional games of rugby as they had at the time!

Look at Cam Winnet, full back for all of that 12 game streak basically, and until recently had never beaten a non Welsh team, either with Cardiff, U20s or Wales.

Reports state that Gatland has literally had to revert to coaching basic skills in international camps!!!

Fingers crossed Gatland is setting the infrastructure and platform for the next coach to be successful, as he did at the chiefs, because winning many of these games since the RWC were always going to be impossible, even targeting Italys regenerated side, and Fijis golden generation we were underdogs.

Rant over
 

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