[2020 RC/Tri Nations] Round 2: Australia V New Zealand (Bledisloe 4) (7/11/2020)

[Kiwiwomble]

i agree re TJ, i think laumape hasnt had enough games in a row to really setting and Jordie gets more games than he should to settle

 

[Derpus]

Jordie is such a flog. I dont get how he gets a gig with Beauden at fb and the 10000+ world class wingers you lot spit out.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Jordie is such a flog. I dont get how he gets a gig with Beauden at fb and the 10000+ world class wingers you lot spit out.

neither do we other than fozzie just wants the 15 best rugby payers (jordie did have a very good SRA) on the field even if they are out of positions...you know, what a professional international rugby coach should do.....

 

[Gavin]

Watching the Breakdown (NZ show), John Kirwan really loves a good moan. Calling for red cards to be removed at test level.

Funny how Kiwi's call for rules to be changed after an All Black loss

 

[Hulk Hogan]

neither do we other than fozzie just wants the 15 best rugby payers (jordie did have a very good SRA) on the field even if they are out of positions...you know, what a professional international rugby coach should do.....

I mean didn't teams do incredibly well for over 100 years, simply playing the best player in each position. Tough **** if you were the man and someone happened to be better than you.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

I mean didn't teams do incredibly well for over 100 years, simply playing the best player in each position. Tough **** if you were the man and someone happened to be better than you.

exactly, history is littered with players that would have walked into many international teams if they were;t behind someone slightly better

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Watching the Breakdown (NZ show), John Kirwan really loves a good moan. Calling for red cards to be removed at test level.

Funny how Kiwi's call for rules to be changed after an All Black loss

...isn't that pretty common, especially for "journo's trying to make headlines" whenever "their team looses due to something other than just getting played off the field?

 

[Umaga's Witness]

Watching the Breakdown (NZ show), John Kirwan really loves a good moan. Calling for red cards to be removed at test level.

Funny how Kiwi's call for rules to be changed after an All Black loss

Except the rule was changed for super rugby Aotearoa, before the all blacks lost, it's hilarious really. The calls for the rules around red cards to be removed has been going on for years, mostly since some years ago Ireland came down with a good team and we were all looking forward to a contest but heaslip got red carded early, completely ruining the game. Oh, the all blacks won that day, putting 50 plus points on Ireland. I'm in fits of laughter

Jordie is such a flog. I dont get how he gets a gig with Beauden at fb and the 10000+ world class wingers you lot spit out.

I presume you didn't watch super rugby Aotearoa? He was an absolute standout, At fullback, a million times better than he has been In any position at any level prior. So we can understand why he is picked, but There is only one fan that thinks He should be playing wing, and he has only played fullback So far this year when Beauden was at ten. Still probably deserves another chance At 15 given super rugby form.

thats an interesting point, you right he has.

whats interesting is it hasn't historically been his game, he's been a demon on defence...but then theyve had people like Frizzel who's natural game at SR level is running and offloading...and theyve obviously tasked him with more tackling

is fozzie just making too many people either play out of position or change the game styles that got them into the AB's to start with

i think if you Ask players to do different things you will inevitably make the team worse off during their learning period. I'd rather they did their learning not during tests that were on the line, maybe at the ends of tests where we'd already won or against weaker opposition. It remains to be seen of course whether some of these new roles will prove to be good ideas at some point in the future, following the learning period. Some of it haS already worked, canes running in particular. And they gave Ardie a big lineout role in this last test and he performed well. He did play a big part in the lineout for the canes but he want all that good at it and cane is better but wasn't used in this test, so that's another area where they sacrificed in order to develop savea in that role. Akira stole a lineout too, another who you wouldn't expect should have that role. In other words They went in to the test light on lineout options and then chose to use the two loosies who were the worst out of the three at lineout time, because they wanted to develop them

My housemate is a kiwi and a hurricanes fan. He constantly bangs on about TJ, Laumape and Jordie Barrett being the best in the world. But honestly none of them perform at international level.

oi, Settle down ok. Team for next week, not wanting to make too many changes:
Bull allen
Coles
Lomax
***o
Fifita
Jerry
Ardie
Rodney
Tj
Beauden
Jonah
Laumape
Smith
Umaga
Jordie

off the bench we will have Cullen, nonu, Julian, Milne-skudder, cruden, Hosea gear, Cory jane, ieremia (Forwards are overrated)

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Except the rule was changed for super rugby Aotearoa, before the all blacks lost, it's hilarious really. The calls for the rules around red cards to be removed has been going on for years, mostly since some years ago Ireland came down with a good team and we were all looking forward to a contest but heaslip got red carded early, completely ruining the game. Oh, the all blacks won that day, putting 50 plus points on Ireland. I'm in fits of laughter

I presume you didn't watch super rugby Aotearoa? He was an absolute standout, At fullback, a million times better than he has been In any position at any level prior. So we can understand why he is picked, but There is only one fan that thinks He should be playing wing, and he has only played fullback So far this year when Beauden was at ten. Still probably deserves another chance At 15 given super rugby form.

i think if you Ask players to do different things you will inevitably make the team worse off during their learning period. I'd rather they did their learning not during tests that were on the line, maybe at the ends of tests where we'd already won or against weaker opposition. It remains to be seen of course whether some of these new roles will prove to be good ideas at some point in the future, following the learning period. Some of it haS already worked, canes running in particular. And they gave Ardie a big lineout role in this last test and he performed well. He did play a big part in the lineout for the canes but he want all that good at it and cane is better but wasn't used in this test, so that's another area where they sacrificed in order to develop savea in that role. Akira stole a lineout too, another who you wouldn't expect should have that role. In other words They went in to the test light on lineout options and then chose to use the two loosies who were the worst out of the three at lineout time, because they wanted to develop them


oi, Settle down ok. Team for next week, not wanting to make too many changes:
Bull allen
Coles
Lomax
***o
Fifita
Jerry
Ardie
Rodney
Tj
Beauden
Jonah
Laumape
Smith
Umaga
Jordie

off the bench we will have Cullen, nonu, Julian, Milne-skudder, cruden, Hosea gear, Cory jane, ieremia (Forwards are overrated)

Good you're giving some of the old fellas a run. Just use Nonu as a reserve number 8 him and Rodney are basically the same.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

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in aus i saw a couple of places reporting the wallabies would be joint top of the table after the win on the weekend, one win each

 

[mania]

Watching the Breakdown (NZ show), John Kirwan really loves a good moan. Calling for red cards to be removed at test level.

Funny how Kiwi's call for rules to be changed after an All Black loss

thats not fair. most kiwis and all the current ABs camp all agree that those tackles were too high and the red cards fair. Ofa shouldve been aiming for the hips or lower.
I coach u12 kids how to tackle and they get it. why can't the adults?

 

[Umaga's Witness]

thats not fair. most kiwis and all the current ABs camp all agree that those tackles were too high and the red cards fair. Ofa shouldve been aiming for the hips or lower.
I coach u12 kids how to tackle and they get it. why can't the adults?

Kirwan and Cullen werent debating the decisions either, they were just suggesting that the punishment for red cards be changed, e.g 20 minutes Then the player can be replaced, like was the rule in super rugby Aotearoa. And they aren't wanting to lessen the disincentive, they are just wanting to ensure the product people are paying to see isn't ruined. I'm sure if they thought the disincentive would be reduced they would want to fix that by increasing the ban period or something.

 

[The Seeker]

in aus i saw a couple of places reporting the wallabies would be joint top of the table after the win on the weekend, one win each

Hope spring eternal.

 

[Alex Anghel]

There's another round of the Tri Nations 2020 tournament going on this Saturday and no thread has been created yet. The ABs have just announced their 23.

 

[Umaga's Witness]

There's another round of the Tri Nations 2020 tournament going on this Saturday and no thread has been created yet. The ABs have just announced their 23.

I created one, just changed the name to be consistent hence findable maybe. Hopefully I don't get in trouble for creating a match thread

 

[mania]

the AB that was most hard done by was Akira Ioane. he was playing well when he had to come off when Ofa got replaced with a prop at the first scrum.
Akira looked like he was getting into the groove. he was a lot less seaGully than in the past ,was doing his core dark art duties and was carrying well. and now he's dropped for the next test. bummer dude

 

[mania]

and people need to get over this loss. ABs cant win everything and we got a lot of players blooded in this test. a win would be nice but a loss make s you look at yourself and re-evaluate and thats always good

 

[Kiwiwomble]

@mania i agree re Akira, seeing he didn't get his full run i thought they might have given him a run against the argies. Also, we had some quick outside backs on the field, i thought they might have dropped Reece, kept 8 forwards and let jordie swing wide to cover the wing

I have actually seen to much moaning, thought people moved on pretty quick

 

[mania]

@mania i agree re Akira, seeing he didn't get his full run i thought they might have given him a run against the argies. Also, we had some quick outside backs on the field, i thought they might have dropped Reece, kept 8 forwards and let jordie swing wide to cover the wing

I have actually seen to much moaning, thought people moved on pretty quick

yeah i'm surprised Akira got dropped but where would u put him? if it were i , i wouldve rested cane, who has played every minute of every test this season.
Akira, Savea and Frizell is a pretty impressive combo, with Sotutu (who imho should start before Ardie as a specialist 8) in the reserves.
Foster was so ballsy changing up his side for bled4 that he's gotten gun shy after one loss.
dude its the first year after a WC. results dont matter. as long as we're developing and moving forward.