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[2019 Super Rugby] Semi Finals (29 June 2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 948433" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>OK, so maybe I can explain it this way, and keep in minds these facts</p><p></p><p>1. The NZ Super Rugby teams are franchises with catchments involving several Provincial Unions, each of whom have their own histories going back, in some cases, 125 years or more. For example the Crusaders include Canterbury and Tasman from the NPC, and South Canterbury, Mid-Canterbury, West Coast and Buller from the Heartland Championship</p><p></p><p>2. The SAF Super Rugby teams ARE essentially their Currie Cup teams (Lions <~> Transvaal, Sharks <~> Natal, Stormers <~> Western Province, Bulls <~> Northern Transvaal). This Currie Cup teams also have a history that goes back, if anything, slightly longer than NZ teams (1890??)</p><p></p><p>Those teams have a long and sometimes bitter history. I'll leave it to our Saffa friends to tell you about the South African side of it (although I remember from following the 1970 Springbok tour that I learned early on about the legendary, sometimes savage rivalry between the Northern Transvaal and Western Province.)</p><p></p><p>In New Zealand, the five key provincial rivalries have been Auckland v Canterbury, Canterbury v Otago, Auckland v Waikato, Wellington v Canterbury and Wellington v Auckland. Those rivalries were especially ferocious when the Ranfurly Shield was involved, and they have been carried over into the franchises and Super Rugby. The matches are often brutal and uncompromising, more so than a NZ v SAF or NZ v AUS clash. They also draw bigger crowds, and a bigger TV audience than NZ v overseas team matches. Having to play these games twice a season takes a toll on the players.</p><p></p><p>It is also a well known and well understood axiom that winning your home games and your in-country derbies is often the difference between making or not making the playoffs. Just look at the Blues for the last four seasons...(the two drawn matches in 2017 & 2019 left out)</p><p></p><p>2016 - Won 7 - Lost 1 v Foreign teams but Won 1 - Lost 5 v NZ teams</p><p>2017 - Won 7 - Lost 2 v Foreign teams but Won 0 - Lost 5 V NZ teams </p><p>2018 - Won 4 - Lost 4 v Foreign teams but Won 0 - Lost 8 v NZ teams</p><p>2019 - Won 3 - Lost 4 v Foreign teams but Won 2 - Lost 6 v NZ teams</p><p></p><p>In the last four seasons the Blues have only won 3 out of 28 local derbies - that's the key reason why they haven't made the playoffs</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 948433, member: 20605"] OK, so maybe I can explain it this way, and keep in minds these facts 1. The NZ Super Rugby teams are franchises with catchments involving several Provincial Unions, each of whom have their own histories going back, in some cases, 125 years or more. For example the Crusaders include Canterbury and Tasman from the NPC, and South Canterbury, Mid-Canterbury, West Coast and Buller from the Heartland Championship 2. The SAF Super Rugby teams ARE essentially their Currie Cup teams (Lions <~> Transvaal, Sharks <~> Natal, Stormers <~> Western Province, Bulls <~> Northern Transvaal). This Currie Cup teams also have a history that goes back, if anything, slightly longer than NZ teams (1890??) Those teams have a long and sometimes bitter history. I'll leave it to our Saffa friends to tell you about the South African side of it (although I remember from following the 1970 Springbok tour that I learned early on about the legendary, sometimes savage rivalry between the Northern Transvaal and Western Province.) In New Zealand, the five key provincial rivalries have been Auckland v Canterbury, Canterbury v Otago, Auckland v Waikato, Wellington v Canterbury and Wellington v Auckland. Those rivalries were especially ferocious when the Ranfurly Shield was involved, and they have been carried over into the franchises and Super Rugby. The matches are often brutal and uncompromising, more so than a NZ v SAF or NZ v AUS clash. They also draw bigger crowds, and a bigger TV audience than NZ v overseas team matches. Having to play these games twice a season takes a toll on the players. It is also a well known and well understood axiom that winning your home games and your in-country derbies is often the difference between making or not making the playoffs. Just look at the Blues for the last four seasons...(the two drawn matches in 2017 & 2019 left out) 2016 - Won 7 - Lost 1 v Foreign teams but Won 1 - Lost 5 v NZ teams 2017 - Won 7 - Lost 2 v Foreign teams but Won 0 - Lost 5 V NZ teams 2018 - Won 4 - Lost 4 v Foreign teams but Won 0 - Lost 8 v NZ teams 2019 - Won 3 - Lost 4 v Foreign teams but Won 2 - Lost 6 v NZ teams In the last four seasons the Blues have only won 3 out of 28 local derbies - that's the key reason why they haven't made the playoffs [/QUOTE]
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