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[2019 Super Rugby] Round 15 (24 & 25 May 2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="Horacito" data-source="post: 945341" data-attributes="member: 71745"><p>Oh, this is absolute bul...</p><p>you just read the article:</p><p></p><p>"Sitting two games clear on top of Super Rugby's South African conference with the third best record in all of Super Rugby, it has never been clearer that SANZAAR created a monster when it included the Jaguares into a supposed provincial rugby competitions."</p><p></p><p>They created A MONSTER. I mean, they had been absolutely irrelevant for 100 years, we invited them into our tournament and let them play with us, we accepted that they only had a handful of world class level players, and then they dare use those players we allowed them to have in the team to win games and show how poorly managed australian rugby has been for the last decade? Dare I say that we have created a FRANKENSTEIN and now these sneaky argentinians will conquer super rugby and force australians out? Will the tahs ever have a chance against the pumas in lamb's fur? Same thing they did with Hitler let me tell you. There's only a 16 hour flight from buenos aires to Sidney and these guys are looking for their own vital space.</p><p></p><p>"Argentina had 13 capped Pumas in their run-on side against the Tahs — it's getting easier and easier to work out why the NSW side has never beaten the Jaguares."</p><p></p><p>What they're not saying here is the implicit idea that the Tahs were always better as a side than the Pumas, so the idea that Jaguares was going to consistently win against the tahs and the brumbies and the rebels never actually came up as a possibilty... again, how dare these pumaguares play better than we expected them to be? I mean, australia won almost three world cups in a row 20 years ago. Why isn't that the state of things anymore? damn it evolution.</p><p></p><p>The truth is that Jaguares was and still is at a disadvantge: they had to create a structure from 0 with the goodwill of the players to refuse more money from europe to stay in Argentina and build this thing. With 0 experience from players and staff they had to build up and lose year after year with fans, press and their own families (yeah, they didn't take that fancy european money and the wives probably figured out they were loosing it to be defeated all the time); enduring all these realities plus the crazy travelling for less money than they could have had. Then the technical aspect of the thing: they had to learn how to play professional in a southern hemisphere way, to compete against all blacks and wallabies and springbocks every week and all that came with it: argentinian rugby changed radically in 10 years, absolutely every aspect of the game came to have a new form for them, including the basis of the pumas/ jaguares/ pumaguares which includes junior players and the junior world cup, an aspect most of foreigners never get to see.</p><p>In other words, Argentina has had to change everything in 12 years to become a proper tier 1 team. And now what they need to do is stretch that structure, which is almost brand new, and come with another team to sort out the players so they don't have an unfair advantage in the competition.</p><p>What they're not saying is that having pumas and jaguares/ pumaguares also brought two years and a half of negative results for Pumas.</p><p></p><p>It seems to me that this is a good way to cover for the poor performance of australian rugby as of late.</p><p>And I still consider Australia better than Argentina at every aspect of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horacito, post: 945341, member: 71745"] Oh, this is absolute bul... you just read the article: "Sitting two games clear on top of Super Rugby’s South African conference with the third best record in all of Super Rugby, it has never been clearer that SANZAAR created a monster when it included the Jaguares into a supposed provincial rugby competitions." They created A MONSTER. I mean, they had been absolutely irrelevant for 100 years, we invited them into our tournament and let them play with us, we accepted that they only had a handful of world class level players, and then they dare use those players we allowed them to have in the team to win games and show how poorly managed australian rugby has been for the last decade? Dare I say that we have created a FRANKENSTEIN and now these sneaky argentinians will conquer super rugby and force australians out? Will the tahs ever have a chance against the pumas in lamb's fur? Same thing they did with Hitler let me tell you. There's only a 16 hour flight from buenos aires to Sidney and these guys are looking for their own vital space. "Argentina had 13 capped Pumas in their run-on side against the Tahs — it’s getting easier and easier to work out why the NSW side has never beaten the Jaguares." What they're not saying here is the implicit idea that the Tahs were always better as a side than the Pumas, so the idea that Jaguares was going to consistently win against the tahs and the brumbies and the rebels never actually came up as a possibilty... again, how dare these pumaguares play better than we expected them to be? I mean, australia won almost three world cups in a row 20 years ago. Why isn't that the state of things anymore? damn it evolution. The truth is that Jaguares was and still is at a disadvantge: they had to create a structure from 0 with the goodwill of the players to refuse more money from europe to stay in Argentina and build this thing. With 0 experience from players and staff they had to build up and lose year after year with fans, press and their own families (yeah, they didn't take that fancy european money and the wives probably figured out they were loosing it to be defeated all the time); enduring all these realities plus the crazy travelling for less money than they could have had. Then the technical aspect of the thing: they had to learn how to play professional in a southern hemisphere way, to compete against all blacks and wallabies and springbocks every week and all that came with it: argentinian rugby changed radically in 10 years, absolutely every aspect of the game came to have a new form for them, including the basis of the pumas/ jaguares/ pumaguares which includes junior players and the junior world cup, an aspect most of foreigners never get to see. In other words, Argentina has had to change everything in 12 years to become a proper tier 1 team. And now what they need to do is stretch that structure, which is almost brand new, and come with another team to sort out the players so they don't have an unfair advantage in the competition. What they're not saying is that having pumas and jaguares/ pumaguares also brought two years and a half of negative results for Pumas. It seems to me that this is a good way to cover for the poor performance of australian rugby as of late. And I still consider Australia better than Argentina at every aspect of the game. [/QUOTE]
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