[2016 Super Rugby] Chiefs vs. Blues (Round 7) 08/04/2016

[TRF Mr Fish]

So you're telling me a bloke at home with his TV and phone can get a better frame than the professional TMO which has literally 10 TV's and top technology at his disposal?

We'll that depends. The TMO only looked at the footage for a couple of minutes. Do you want every TMO call to be assessed for ten minutes?

 

[0tago]

We'll that depends. The TMO only looked at the footage for a couple of minutes. Do you want every TMO call to be assessed for ten minutes?

Then again you are only speculating the guy took a long time to get that frame.

I just find it funny a guy at home with his phone and TV can get the frame but the professionals can't, with 10 TV's and infinite replay possibilities and angles.

 

[smartcooky]

So you're telling me a bloke at home with his TV and phone can get a better frame than the professional TMO which has literally 10 TV's and top technology at his disposal?

Then again you are only speculating the guy took a long time to get that frame.

I just find it funny a guy at home with his phone and TV can get the frame but the professionals can't, with 10 TV's and infinite replay possibilities and angles.

You're not listening to what you are being told!

The TMO made the correct call based on the information he had available. Its all very well members of the public being Monday morning quarterbacks with 20/20 hindsight, but that does not help the TMO make a quick decision under time pressure. He has to make the best decision he can, and BASED I WHAT WE KNOW HE SAW AT THE TIME, and IMO, the decision he made was the correct one.

What really p¡sses me off about punters like you is that you are prepared to accept that professional players don't always get it right under pressure, but you expect nothing less than perfection from the referee, without whom, you don't even have a game!!!

 

[0tago]

You're not listening to what you are being told!

The TMO made the correct call based on the information he had available. Its all very well members of the public being Monday morning quarterbacks with 20/20 hindsight, but that does not help the TMO make a quick decision under time pressure. He has to make the best decision he can, and BASED I WHAT WE KNOW HE SAW AT THE TIME, and IMO, the decision he made was the correct one.

What really p¡sses me off about punters like you is that you are prepared to accept that professional players don't always get it right under pressure, but you expect nothing less than perfection from the referee, without whom, you don't even have a game!!!

Looking at your avatar you're an apologist for officials. They've been down right awful this season and I'm not interested in big long winded responses excusing their incompetence, they either get it right or get sacked, because they're heavily influencing ALL of the games to an unnatural ridiculous level.

Another TMO howler, another result down the toilet. Apologize and BS your way out of it all you want, doesn't change the fact they're completely incompetent and getting a large amount of calls incorrect.

 

[smartcooky]

Looking at your avatar you're an apologist for officials.

You are a noob here, chum. You know nothing about me and therefore you are not in a position to tell me, or anyone else for that matter, who or what they are, least of all someone who has been here almost nine years.

I am NOT a fvcking apologist for officials. Ask anyone here how bloody critical I have been in the past when referees have made blunders. I criticise them when criticism is due, but there is NO criticism whatsoever due for Jamie Nutbrown in this match. He was excellent!

They've been down right awful this season

That's just your opinion, and one that is not universally shared.

I'm not interested in big long winded responses excusing their incompetence, they either get it right or get sacked, because they're heavily influencing ALL of the games to an unnatural ridiculous level.

In my experience, "I'm not interested in big long winded responses" is just code for "I don't have the attention span to read the responses". If you are going to make criticisms, then the onus on you to read the responses properly. If you want sound bytes and 10 word responses to every question, fvck off and join all the other morons on twitter. On THIS forum, we debate and discuss intelligently with considered replies.

Another TMO howler, another result down the toilet. Apologize and BS your way out of it all you want, doesn't change the fact they're completely incompetent and getting a large amount of calls incorrect.

It was not a howler, it was the correct call based on the video available to the TMO at the time. That is not "BS", that is "fact". There have been 57 TMO calls so far this season (not counting any in the overnight games which I have not yet seen) and there have been TWO decisions that were shown to be conclusively wrong on the video evidence available to the TMO, so that is 55/57 (97%) correct calls... better that any players stats for anything they do... goal kicking, tackling or error rate.

 

[bazwaz]

..former ref Jonathan Kaplan has a habit of undermining all the referees that he can in a desperate attempt to stay relevant...I wonder what his former colleagues feel about the drunken **** now...

 

[smartcooky]

..former ref Jonathan Kaplan has a habit of undermining all the referees that he can in a desperate attempt to stay relevant...I wonder what his former colleagues feel about the drunken **** now...

Gamekeeper turned poacher methinks!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Gamekeeper turned poacher methinks!

Absolutely... the guy seems desperate to find controversy, sadly this is quite a common trait in rugby media.

 

[nzlizard]

I disagree completely with that staement

I watched the whole game live, and didn't pick up a single error.

I was there as well and saw the Blues inside backs consistently offside and the referee with his back to them all game.

I saw the Blues players not roll away quickly and slow down the ball from the Chiefs rucks.

I saw the ref ping us for offside even though Lowe had come through and put everyone onside.

Yet the Chiefs had 9 penalties against them in the first half for exactly what the Blues were doing.

 

[0tago]

Absolutely... the guy seems desperate to find controversy, sadly this is quite a common trait in rugby media.

Desperate to find controversy? He really doesn't have to look hard, no one does, this competition is riddled with shocking officiating and dreadful TMO decisions. It's not even opinion based, the mistakes are elementary.

How can a guy at home with his TV find that shot and a bloke with 10 TV and angles not?

How?

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I think the TMO got the call spot on, based on what he had to look at, which was no frame that showed Brad Weber's foot touching the line before he let go of the ball. Much has been made of a frame that came out afterwards, but even that is not conclusive

Excuse my ignorance, but as far as i understand, you are saying and/or implying that the frame kaplan came up with was not available to the TMO. I see no evidence to support that. In fact, i'd be inclined to believe the opposite (common sense suggest the frame he posts is a split second after the one you posted and i see no evidence to suggest such image was not available to him while it was to kaplan)

I do agree that kaplan is nothing short of a bitter buffoon, but that does not make what he says necessarily false.

Kindly read my post with a lighthearted tone. I mean no offense, just not sure i agree with you here and i'm curious about why posted that.

 

[0tago]

I was there as well and saw the Blues inside backs consistently offside and the referee with his back to them all game.

I saw the Blues players not roll away quickly and slow down the ball from the Chiefs rucks.

I saw the ref ping us for offside even though Lowe had come through and put everyone onside.

Yet the Chiefs had 9 penalties against them in the first half for exactly what the Blues were doing.

I saw that to, Blake Gibson all over the ball, at least the Chiefs scored. 1.26



Question for @smartcooky

At 1.20 in the video, is that not obstruction from the Chiefs #20 on Faumuina?

 

[smartcooky]

Question for @smartcooky

At 1.20 in the video, is that not obstruction from the Chiefs #20 on Faumuina?

Technically you could make a flimsy argument for obstruction based on black letter interpretation of the written Law

But if I called it, our English friends here would tag me as a "jobsworth"

Was it material? No!

IMO Faumuina didn't have an ice-cube's chance in hell of chasing, let alone catching Ngatai