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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. Peter Quinn" data-source="post: 712032" data-attributes="member: 12190">I know what you mean..The thing is, in my eyes, turning over 23 times, never regaining possession from your kicks, losing 4 of your own lineouts and conceding 13 penalties - is itself playing poorly.It doesn&#039;t matter what crazy skill you&#039;ve shown elsewhere when you have those statsWhat you&#039;re saying I believe is that when we had the ball we didn&#039;t look that bad?Yes and no... When he game broke up, when we showed a sense of urgency, I.e when we were losing with time running out, we looked alright and on occasion one of our backs had a bit of a run... however our general ball carrying and forward marshaling was abysmal.. The tight five went nowhere fast and were picked off and turned over..I agree insofar as what will now happen is England will be written off, just as we were talked up after Wales. Its silly to think we&#039;re any weaker now because of the result, and, realistically, it was always very likely we&#039;d lose an away game this tournament. In all likelihood, England will bounce back - the issue for myself and others is more a long-term thing and rate of progress, for example whether are systemic issues currently capping our potential.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mrs. Peter Quinn, post: 712032, member: 12190"] I know what you mean.. The thing is, in my eyes, turning over 23 times, never regaining possession from your kicks, losing 4 of your own lineouts and conceding 13 penalties - is itself playing poorly. It doesn't matter what crazy skill you've shown elsewhere when you have those stats What you're saying I believe is that when we had the ball we didn't look that bad? Yes and no... When he game broke up, when we showed a sense of urgency, I.e when we were losing with time running out, we looked alright and on occasion one of our backs had a bit of a run... however our general ball carrying and forward marshaling was abysmal.. The tight five went nowhere fast and were picked off and turned over.. I agree insofar as what will now happen is England will be written off, just as we were talked up after Wales. Its silly to think we're any weaker now because of the result, and, realistically, it was always very likely we'd lose an away game this tournament. In all likelihood, England will bounce back - the issue for myself and others is more a long-term thing and rate of progress, for example whether are systemic issues currently capping our potential. [/QUOTE]

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