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[2015 RWC] Warm Up Match: New Zealand vs Australia (15/08/2015)

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Shouldn't too much onto this, Australia are very different with Giteau, Foley, Phipps, Mumm, Pocock etc... In the side.

The key question is was there an improvement in the areas of concern ?
The breakdown : yes
The scrum: yes
Decision making : yes

Regardless of who played for the Australians they would have lost today . Home ground advantage makes a big difference .
Was the all black performance satisfactory , good or excellent ?
I d say it was good but needs to to get much better if they want to win the World Cup .
 
I think Giteau makes a difference to the Aussie team every time he hits the park, he's a little guy but his critical try saving tackle on Savea was superb.
 
The key question is was there an improvement in the areas of concern ?
The breakdown : yes
The scrum: yes
Decision making : yes

Regardless of who played for the Australians they would have lost today . Home ground advantage makes a big difference .
Was the all black performance satisfactory , good or excellent ?
I d say it was good but needs to to get much better if they want to win the World Cup .

We were just massively out enthused up front... the backs never had a chance and whilst I don't like Cooper, I can't blame him. This was like Origin 3 all over again - we ran into a side whose pride had been hurt and had a point to prove at their caldron.

We can come back from this, but it was pretty awful to watch as a Wallabies fan.
 
I think Giteau makes a difference to the Aussie team every time he hits the park, he's a little guy but his critical try saving tackle on Savea was superb.


They still havent realised his best value for them is at 10 though. Iv changed my opinion of Chieka I thought he was a **** coach but he's not bad. Giteau at 12 is the one major mistake I think he's made though. Theres simply nobody else in that side thats credible to run that backline and Toomua on the bench is a waste. They have plenty of 12's.
 
I think Cheika found out a couple of really important things for the Wallabies today.

1. The Wallabies do not have the depth he thought they had

2. Quade Cooper folds under pressure

I think Quade has torn up his ticket to he world cup with this performance.

For the All Blacks, on the other side of the coin, Nehe Milner-Skudder has just written his own ticket.
 
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I wasn't expecting a loss that hefty, but I kind of figured this would go against the Australians. For one thing they were away from home for the first time. Just going by history, they aren't quite as ferocious away from their stadiums. And Eden Park of all places? Not easy. I also thought some of the Aussies on the bench should have been in the 15 if they genuinely wanted to have a chance in this match. I could see what Chekia is saying; you don't want to rely on the same guys too much. And some of them probably needed a break. I'm not sure how demoralizing a loss that dramatic will be before a world cup, but it can't help things.

It's safe to say Crockett has the edge over Woodcock. I even think in a World Cup final I'd bite the bullet with Crockett's tendency to give away penalties. He was, after all, a major part of the most dominant scrum in Super rugby. I share some of the concerns of other posters on here regarding Woody. Still think there's a place for him though, but the All Blacks need energy. They need punishing tacklers. Wyatt Crockett brings that, even though it's not an area of his game that gets discussed at length. He can really belt people. Owen Franks - I'm not sure. I think he's still probably explosive than Woodcock, and I'd rather see him starting at a World Cup than Ben Franks or Nepo Laulala (although the latter is improving all the time.) The Aussie scrum deserves some credit. It's not like our scrum has been the worst in this competition.

Vito was impressive. On the balance of things, he upped his physicality. He didn't run with the ball thousands of times, but he did contribute to the tackling and rucks plenty it seems. He adds a more youthful and fresh vibe to the team. Last week it felt very 'old man' like. If Vito can maybe squeeze in some ITM Cup games and continue his physicality I think he's secured a spot at the World Cup?

I'd still take Savea. He got involved plenty of times and maybe didn't monster people like he usually does, but I don't believe or agree that he's spun out of form. Maybe he needs to get his fitness back up like Hansen was saying, maybe he needs to squeeze in a couple more games before the WC. He's another one with a good track record, understands the team strategies and compliments a more athletic/speed driven winger on the other side. There is still hope for him yet I say.

Dan Carter was brilliant. There was some weak tackling from the Aussies, and the ABs were obviously at home so it's worth keeping in perspective. But when the ABs get quality ball, the forwards aren't completely outplayed like last week, then it makes DC's job a lot easier. There's no more time left on the clock to muck around speculating. A decision has to be made, who will be the primary starter in World Cup matches at 10? On the evidence I've seen it has to be Carter.

Nonu and Smith were brilliant. It just leaves me a little concerned about the greatness of their partnership, and the guys next in line. I don't think SBW is anything special. The offload thing can be handy, but that's not necessarily the type of approach you want to be taking in finals footy. I don't want my guys to constantly pop passes. I'd much rather have patience and calmy assess the situation.

Still some work to be done. In the beginning of the first half there was too much kicking from the ABs and it felt like they became a bit rattled again when they didn't have full control as one commentator said. I would love to see them work on the opening minutes of the game. I understand the merits of really hammering down in the second half when the other side runs out of energy, but it's much more fun being in the lead than playing catch up. In this match I think the ABs just needed to settle into their systems, which they did. Hopefully a small lesson is taken to kick to land and not to hand. Or better yet, just keep the pill in hand, because in a high intensity game possession can be golden. Some teams over the years have beaten the ABs by depriving them of the ball for long spells. If that were to happen again, the last thing they'd want to do is boot it away.
 
I'd still take Savea. He got involved plenty of times and maybe didn't monster people like he usually does, but I don't believe or agree that he's spun out of form. Maybe he needs to get his fitness back up like Hansen was saying, maybe he needs to squeeze in a couple more games before the WC. He's another one with a good track record, understands the team strategies and compliments a more athletic/speed driven winger on the other side. There is still hope for him yet I say.

My biggest gripe about savea is they just seem to continue to play him week in week out and he doesnt contribute anything that anyone we've got on the bench or the larger squad couldnt do. He's not doing anything special by just running into guys and getting tackled week in week out. At super rugby level yes that **** is going to work but its clearly not in tests.

Osbourne should of been played I honestly reckon the difference with him there instead of Savea would be huge. Osbourne aims for a gap and gasses through it this other idiot just runs straight at anyone standing in his way. Its retarded. Also when attacking a teams line Osbourne is near unstoppable. Savea I doubt even has the brains to put himself in the right position to take advantage.
 
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Nonu and Smith are the best couple of centers in the world.

That's all I have to say about that.
 
Good win by the ABs. A bit difficult to gauge the performance though. Not sure if Wallabies just played poorly or made mistakes under ABs pressure, bit of both I think. I thought the ABs defense was the corner stone of the performance. Even Wallabies defense was pretty good in the first half. The flood gates really opened up when Cooper was binned. Hence a bit difficult to gauge the ABs performance.

Wallabies clearly won the scrum, it is a bit of a downer for them they could not build from such a solid set piece. NZ scrum needs improvement.

NMS was all class again. He is bloody dangerous player. Pulled up a bit lame there after the kick which led to first Nonu try, hamstring issue?
 
three to five years ago Owen was Awesome. Now he's just making the numbers up certainly not outstanding by AB standards for a prop imo.

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Yeah Phipps and Foley will loose them the game for sure. And the others all played in this game and didnt make a jot of difference.

They came on, once the AB's had the ascendancy, that's different to starting. They were trying to turn a game around not close it out, and off the back of a 10 moon sin bin.

As for Phipps and Foley, they are their best halfbacks they'd have made a difference.
 
They came on, once the AB's had the ascendancy, that's different to starting. They were trying to turn a game around not close it out, and off the back of a 10 moon sin bin.

As for Phipps and Foley, they are their best halfbacks they'd have made a difference.

I disagree I thought when Pocock came on (early) thats when things started to loose their balance for the Wallabys. Maybe hoopers injury (concussion test) was the issue but it shouldnt of made any difference. Those guys that started were good enough the first half proves that they were within 7 they got down trowed when the replacements came on in the second half.
The first half defence was solid as the scrum was solid as they just didnt steal the ball and be allowed to control the game like last week.

End of the day they were never ever going to steal all the ball they did last week. Im adament they got the refs call on most of that BS last week which is why they got thrashed tonight.
 
My biggest gripe about savea is they just seem to continue to play him week in week out and he doesnt contribute anything that anyone we've got on the bench or the larger squad couldnt do. He's not doing anything special by just running into guys and getting tackled week in week out. At super rugby level yes that **** is going to work but its clearly not in tests.

Osbourne should of been played I honestly reckon the difference with him there instead of Savea would be huge. Osbourne aims for a gap and gasses through it this other idiot just runs straight at anyone standing in his way. Its retarded. Also when attacking a teams line Osbourne is near unstoppable. Savea I doubt even has the brains to put himself in the right position to take advantage.

I'd agree that Savea is a little out of form and looks a little under done fitness wise, but he still is breaking the gain line, and usually requires more than one player to put him down, freeing up space for someone else ... maybe if some more of those passes go to hand, it could be a different story. I guess he'll be named in the RWC squad, as the only other player that's been tried is Puitau (who'll probably get some game time there). Osborne's turn will probably come next year, if Savea makes the Seven's squad.

When is the RWC squad announced? ... the outside backs should be Milner-Skudder, Piutau, Savea, and B.Smith, with Barrett and Slade providing cover if necessary.

That was much better than last week for the ABs, but as others have pointed out, winning at home, and winning away from home are two different things ... something positive to take into the cup though
 
It is amazing to watch Folau play. When he gets ball in hand he swats aside players like McCaw and Read with his speed and power. Wallabies need to utilise him with the cross-kick on attack, rugby league style, he will score 90% of time - just like Perenara's kick to him :p
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Nonu was immense. Two tries, plus had the vision for the cut out pass for Conrad's try. He defended well, straightened the attack and provided a real punch in the mid field.
 
A lot of you blokes have been forgetting how much tinkering has been going on with the selection process.
It's a weird year because of the RWC and so many sides are struggling for combinations and form as they gear up to be fit and ready for the group games starting soon.
The AB's nicked an away win at Jo'burg, no mean feat in any given year. They were in the hunt last week and looked a bit tired from 2 weeks on the road, only 3-4 games into the International season, an 8 point loss with DC missing some gettable kicks was hardly a disgrace. This team is only going to improve and with the likes of Nehe and a vibrant looking Vito coming into the mix all of the squad will lift once it has been selected. I would have liked to have seen more of Barrett but DC needed game time to prove his fitness and that he hasn't lost any of his class, and he looked pretty darn sharp.
Now the management will pick the side and the players can settle and get focussed for the next game.
We have the potential to have a very strong RWC, lets see how it pans out.
 
The key question is was there an improvement in the areas of concern ?
The breakdown : yes
The scrum: yes
Decision making : yes

Regardless of who played for the Australians they would have lost today . Home ground advantage makes a big difference .
Was the all black performance satisfactory , good or excellent ?
I d say it was good but needs to to get much better if they want to win the World Cup .

You're misunderstanding me, I never said they'd win with those changes, but the are a much better side with them so i wouldn't look too much into them folding, they conceeded 21 points (I think) when cooper was off the park....
 
Smart cooky can you help me with a ruling issue please?

this week Owens was telling the defending teams when to stop trying to grab the ball "lost black/gold" whereas last week Barnes seemed to let players keep having a go at it and attempt turnovers. Which is the correct ruling? And am I crazy or did anyone else notice the difference in approach? From a NZ point of view I'd love Owens to ref all our games, and never have Barnes ever again.

That kind of inconsistency scares me though if you hit the wrong ref in the wrong game.
 
Smart cooky can you help me with a ruling issue please?

this week Owens was telling the defending teams when to stop trying to grab the ball "lost black/gold" whereas last week Barnes seemed to let players keep having a go at it and attempt turnovers. Which is the correct ruling? And am I crazy or did anyone else notice the difference in approach? From a NZ point of view I'd love Owens to ref all our games, and never have Barnes ever again.

That kind of inconsistency scares me though if you hit the wrong ref in the wrong game.


They can be both correct depending on the circumstances.

If the jackler gets his hands on the ball, he does not have to let go so long as he remains on his feet. If he gets scragged, or brought down onto at least one knee, he is now off his feet and must let go, and when this happens, the referee will call something like "leave it (colour)"... Owens says "Lost now (colour)"

IMO think what you were hearing/seeing isn't so much a difference in breakdown management between the referees, its the difference between the two games. The All Blacks were a LOT better at the breakdown tonight than they were last week
 
Good game but the performance is still way below and not comparable how ABs played in semis against Australia in the last world cup.

The two props position are still a concern. They started in the last WC and definitely current out of form and age has catch up. Are there no more any potential good props in NZ beside Woodcock and Frank brothers and the Management team has to stick to them after 4 years.

Finally, I don't like I what I saw. DC miss the drop goal just before after half time. Then run off at halftime and even try to crack a joke with opposition Ashley Cooper before entering the dressing room. I believe Ashley ignore him and just run off to the changing room. The score then was also very close 13-6. A committed player will review what when wrong with his kick and quickly proceed to the dressing room.

Well some players are given privileges. Came back from sabbatical leave and played only one club game and be allowed to play in International game. Of course he get injury before halftime
 
Nigel Owens has always helped attack teams at ruck time, why teams with good continuity will quite often prosper with him refereeing and defending teams may as well not compete..
 
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