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[2014 TRC] South Africa v New Zealand in Johannesburg (04/10/2014)
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<blockquote data-quote="donmcdazzle" data-source="post: 676845" data-attributes="member: 44093"><p>Read this somewhere else and thought it raised some interesting questions (by neither a SA or NZer by the way so written from a neutral standpoint):</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Rugby's moving into uncomfortable territory now with the use of replays : who, exactly, flags up potential issues? Are there any precise rules around it?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Today, there was a sense that it was the guys in the tv truck who spotted it, stuck it on a screen, got the crowd going, leading to the SA captain saying something to the ref, who at the very last moment then asked to look at it; following six or seven looks, with the crowd doing what they'll naturally do and what only a ref with superhuman nerves/balls (and Barnes doesn't have them) would dare to resist, he makes the match-deciding decision.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Now, compare that with the erroneous, and plainly ridiculous, call for a knock on when Argentina played New Zealand, in New Zealand, a few weeks back. It was a dumb decision from the ref in the first place, but one look would have sorted it definitively. Why didn't that happen? Why didn't it go on the screen immediately? Why didn't someone in the van or elsewhere tell the ref to have a look?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">It should be clear (though if I'm missing something, I'll be grateful, once my embarrassment passes, to find out what that is) that the way it's being used now leads to enormous advantages for home teams, especially as the guys in the tv truck are presumably staffed exclusively with people from that nation.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The right decision was probably reached for the incident in question (though it wouldn't surprise me if there were plenty more such incidents which went unflagged- if it is local guys in the truck who bear responsibility for finding them and passing them along) but the process by which the decision was reached is becoming a real problem in the game.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">They have got to try iron out some better rules for its use. If that means letting some things go in order to make sure it isn't an... arbitrary decision, which is almost guaranteed to favour home sides, whether or not to look things over again, so be it. What if a world cup final is determined by a refs willingness to look again or even<em>unwillingness</em> ('I've made my decision,that's it) to do so?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">If the answer to all this is that there are independent people in the tv truck co-ordinating things, why was the message unable to be pushed through to the ref in that Arg New Zealand game that he'd made a clunking mistake?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Most amazing of all, people imagine video refereeing can be brought in with no difficulties into a game markedly less-suited to video reffing (partly because of the nature of the game, partly because of the attitude of those who play and manage it) : football. They are crackers. Without precise rules as to when technology can be used, football, a sport in which, unlike rugby, sportsmanship is dead and bitterness, bias and hysteria abound, would be a farce.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Both teams were great today in an incredible match, but this issue is only going to get bigger by the looks of it."</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donmcdazzle, post: 676845, member: 44093"] Read this somewhere else and thought it raised some interesting questions (by neither a SA or NZer by the way so written from a neutral standpoint): [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Rugby's moving into uncomfortable territory now with the use of replays : who, exactly, flags up potential issues? Are there any precise rules around it?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Today, there was a sense that it was the guys in the tv truck who spotted it, stuck it on a screen, got the crowd going, leading to the SA captain saying something to the ref, who at the very last moment then asked to look at it; following six or seven looks, with the crowd doing what they'll naturally do and what only a ref with superhuman nerves/balls (and Barnes doesn't have them) would dare to resist, he makes the match-deciding decision.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Now, compare that with the erroneous, and plainly ridiculous, call for a knock on when Argentina played New Zealand, in New Zealand, a few weeks back. It was a dumb decision from the ref in the first place, but one look would have sorted it definitively. Why didn't that happen? Why didn't it go on the screen immediately? Why didn't someone in the van or elsewhere tell the ref to have a look?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]It should be clear (though if I'm missing something, I'll be grateful, once my embarrassment passes, to find out what that is) that the way it's being used now leads to enormous advantages for home teams, especially as the guys in the tv truck are presumably staffed exclusively with people from that nation.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]The right decision was probably reached for the incident in question (though it wouldn't surprise me if there were plenty more such incidents which went unflagged- if it is local guys in the truck who bear responsibility for finding them and passing them along) but the process by which the decision was reached is becoming a real problem in the game.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]They have got to try iron out some better rules for its use. If that means letting some things go in order to make sure it isn't an... arbitrary decision, which is almost guaranteed to favour home sides, whether or not to look things over again, so be it. What if a world cup final is determined by a refs willingness to look again or even[I]unwillingness[/I] ('I've made my decision,that's it) to do so?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]If the answer to all this is that there are independent people in the tv truck co-ordinating things, why was the message unable to be pushed through to the ref in that Arg New Zealand game that he'd made a clunking mistake?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Most amazing of all, people imagine video refereeing can be brought in with no difficulties into a game markedly less-suited to video reffing (partly because of the nature of the game, partly because of the attitude of those who play and manage it) : football. They are crackers. Without precise rules as to when technology can be used, football, a sport in which, unlike rugby, sportsmanship is dead and bitterness, bias and hysteria abound, would be a farce.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Both teams were great today in an incredible match, but this issue is only going to get bigger by the looks of it."[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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