2014 Six Nations: Wales vs Italy (Round 1)

[samxara]

 

[Big Ewis]

Take out the Wales mistakes then the scoreline would have been different, probably a greater scoreline for Wales. All ifs, buts and coconuts.

Fallacious logic there my friend, but you're not fooling this guy with it. I'm talking about an outright mistake by the ref.: North pushes the ball backwards and Parisse kicks forward and controls. No knock-on. Barely one defender back for Wales and a few meters to run, with company I reckon on the right for the Italian no.8.
You're telling me about mistakes (that may've not happened in some parallel universe).
Entirely different realms: Parisse had a real chance, nothing hypothetical about it, it just never happened coz a whistle was blown.

I'm not saying Italy would've won it, but I won't just sit there and read a comment like that either and stay put. Good win for Wales, and that's that.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Fallacious logic there my friend, but you're not fooling this guy with it. I'm talking about an outright mistake by the ref.: North pushes the ball backwards and Parisse kicks forward and controls. No knock-on. Barely one defender back for Wales and a few meters to run, with company I reckon on the right for the Italian no.8.
You're telling me about mistakes (that may've not happened in some parallel universe).
Entirely different realms: Parisse had a real chance, nothing hypothetical about it, it just never happened coz a whistle was blown.

I'm not saying Italy would've won it, but I won't just sit there and read a comment like that either. Good win for Wales, and that's that.

If North had stepped inwards, committing both defenders then AWJ would have in theory been in. Instead North stepped outwards, taking up precious space and passing allowing the covering defence not to be committed ... a genuine chance ...

Again all ifs and buts and I'm going by your logic here!

 

[Big Ewis]

nah man, what you're saying is wrong, but we're not spending hours on that point, it's not that important...

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

If North had stepped inwards, committing both defenders then AWJ would have in theory been in. Instead North stepped outwards, taking up precious space and passing allowing the covering defence not to be committed ... a genuine chance ...

Again all ifs and buts and I'm going by your logic here!

Difference is that is a player making the wrong decision, something he had control over. The case Big Ewis made was the ref making completely the wrong decision and thus costing Italy a likely try. However I personally feel that the later Italian try had a forward pass in it so it evened out.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

nah man, what you're saying is wrong, but we're not spending hours on that point, it's not that important...

Sadly I'm not ... if it wasn't important why bring it up? :lol:

Difference is that is a player making the wrong decision, something he had control over. The case Big Ewis made was the ref making completely the wrong decision and thus costing Italy a likely try. However I personally feel that the later Italian try had a forward pass in it so it evened out.

Parisse clearly knocked it on however. Left hand made contact with the ball and it went forward. Last time I checked the law book, that was a knock on. Oh and both are mistakes, player decision or not.

 

[Big Ewis]

Sadly I'm not ... if it wasn't important why bring it up? :lol:

everything you say during the daily life a question of life or death ?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

everything you say during the daily life a question of life or death ?

 

[Big Ewis]

 

[dullonien]

Parisse clearly, clearly knocked that ball on. North knocked it backwards/sideways, then Parisse knocked it on. I thought it was maybe another incident I had missed in the first 20min, but obviously not.

If we want to debate refereeing decisions then the first Italian try had a clear forward pass in it (hands clearly pointing forwards), and the TMO missed it somehow.

Ultimately, I don't think either incident matter. The scoreline was a fair reflection of the game imo.

 

[Big Ewis]

GUYS ! I just understood now watching some of the match we weren't talking about the same play !




You were all talking about 36:15. No doubt that's a knock-on, saw it was one live on the day.
I was talking this whole time about 37:33. They called it a forward-pass I believe, which I think is wrong. The Welsh defender puts his hand there and deflects it, while Parisse doesn't commit a mistake himself...big try opportunity.
just to clarify guys.......I'm not starting a discussion here, who cares, Wales won, Italy came close...a lot closer than we all expected, especially me.

 

[dullonien]

Fair enough Ewis. You're right that it wasn't a knock-on. I don't think it was a guaranteed try though, Halfpenny was there to tackle Parisse (and did), and the Welsh players then stopped as the whistle went.

 

[Big Ewis]

Fair enough Ewis. You're right that it wasn't a knock-on. I don't think it was a guaranteed try though, Halfpenny was there to tackle Parisse (and did), and the Welsh players then stopped as the whistle went.

oh, it felt good finding out about the misunderstanding just there ! OF COURSE that first play is a knock-on, no doubt whatsoever...you guys must've thought I was thick as....uhmm...a very thick thing.
Anyways, good win for Wales because they played hard and Italy still hung in there.