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[2014 EOYT] Ireland vs South Africa

Well done Ireland... Brilliant

A month ago i said SA will only beat Italy on this tour and i got my head bitten off...

There is sadly no supersport panel to show fauls on big screens to bring play back 5 +phases to kick for goal...

Welcome back to earth...

Moby's Extreme ways comes to mind now for some reason...
 
Was absolutely wrecked after this morning. Crappy time-zones meant I was up from 3 to 8:30, so by the time this game rolled around I was already half asleep. I both love and loathe the November internationals for this reason. There's so many good fixtures in just one day, but because I live in NZ it means becoming nocturnal every weekend for a month. Even so, the June internationals don't really compare for me. Not a huge fan of them at all.

Anyway, I did not expect this game to play out the way it did. I had a feeling Ireland would play well, but I never would've guessed that they'd win so convincingly (And neither did George Hook, apparently: https://balls.ie/rugby/video-george-hook-eats-particularly-large-slice-humble-pie/ :p ). Bit of a shame that Ireland aren't playing the All Blacks again this year. ;) I seem to recall they didn't play the All Blacks in 2009 either, when they were also Six Nations champions. No wonder they haven't got that first win yet...

As awesome as it is to see Ireland playing so well, I hope South Africa can recover from this one. I was reading some comments on Sport24 and man, they do not take defeat lightly. They turn on their players and coach so quickly. That's passion, I guess.
 
How'd Ireland's midfield go? Is it likely to be maintained for the rest of the series?
 
How'd Ireland's midfield go? Is it likely to be maintained for the rest of the series?

Jared Payne went off injured towards the end with the commentators saying it looked serious, so probably not.

My guess is the Ireland fans would be mildly regretful to see a winning team changed/partnership broken up so early, but fairly unbothered if he doesn't make it, as he was nothing more than solid. Made most of his tackles, hit rucks, did some ok attacking lines without anything happening. Tried a muscle line without support and got turned over. They'd probably be more worried if Henshaw didn't make it, who looked seriously comfortable for a 21 year old winning his 3rd international cap while making his 1st professional appearance at 12.

My guess is they'll just move Henshaw out to 13 and stick D'Arcy in at 12 if Payne's unable to make the next game.
 
Was absolutely wrecked after this morning. Crappy time-zones meant I was up from 3 to 8:30, so by the time this game rolled around I was already half asleep. I both love and loathe the November internationals for this reason. There's so many good fixtures in just one day, but because I live in NZ it means becoming nocturnal every weekend for a month. Even so, the June internationals don't really compare for me. Not a huge fan of them at all.

Anyway, I did not expect this game to play out the way it did. I had a feeling Ireland would play well, but I never would've guessed that they'd win so convincingly (And neither did George Hook, apparently: https://balls.ie/rugby/video-george-hook-eats-particularly-large-slice-humble-pie/ :p ). Bit of a shame that Ireland aren't playing the All Blacks again this year. ;) I seem to recall they didn't play the All Blacks in 2009 either, when they were also Six Nations champions. No wonder they haven't got that first win yet...

As awesome as it is to see Ireland playing so well, I hope South Africa can recover from this one. I was reading some comments on Sport24 and man, they do not take defeat lightly. They turn on their players and coach so quickly. That's passion, I guess.

Stay away from Sport24... Trust me...

That's worse than youtube comments.
 
I take my hat off to the irish coach.
Not competing at the line outs all game gave Ireland a bot of extra time to defend against the imposing physical runners the Boks use to great effect.
Brilliant strategy by the coach.
It worked to nullify the Bok advantage and to increase the belief from the Irish lads.
Wonderful composure by Ireland and they deserved the win.
De Villiers had ample opportunity to work the scoreboard in the first half but he blew it by continually going for the touchline in hope of a try.
many many crucial points were spurned in this manner.
Poor captaincy.
Points create pressure.
This was a test match away in a hostile environment, not a Currie Cup game.
 
****ing fantastic. Watched the game in a pub, so therefore I have no bloody clue who played well and who didn't, I just vaguely remember everybody chanting 'Tommy Bowe'...

Anyway, hope I have it recorded for tomorrow, really impressed with that scoreline. Shame about Henry being injured, but I really rate Ruddock so I'm glad he got some game time. Schmidt really is a genius.

Hopefully this is the start of us being considered more 'serious' opposition for the SH 3..

ah dear @UlsterRugby2012 we where chanting tommy bowe down in the qub su !
 
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First up, well done Ireland. As probably my second favourite team after the Wallabies it was great seeing you put on such a great performance.

At the same time, I couldn't help but think the Boks were making more unforced errors than I can remember. Ireland capitalised, and scored a couple brilliant tries, but the Boks sure did play like a team that had prepared by greasing their hands up before the match.

I'd also like to say thank you, as your win will make the Boks angry right before the England game. Something that will likely result in a very physical encounter :D .
 
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You make no mention of England, so i can assume that you believe they are or can be considered better than Ireland? Well this year was the first time in three years that England have beaten Wales. England are in better form at the moment, but it's pretty stupid to write us off as being a worse team full stop.
@Jbobo - Context my friend! You've largely missed my reference to the rankings thread (which I agree is stupid)
My point, badly expressed(sorry!) was that no matter how much ireland keep winning and putting in performances like this (after all they've barely had a bad game under Schmidt at all), you still get people denying them recognition and saying that they think Wales and France are better teams. I'm not saying that Ireland are miles ahead of the rest of us or anything, just that they need to be recognised as currently leading the pack

I didn't reference England because England weren't really entering the debate on the other thread - it's not my own comment on whether we're better (we're not, probably about equal right now)
 
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mm, game still isn't up...eager to watch this one, however forward oriented it may've been...and boy, if France don't get some real form soon, we've got Twickenham and Dublin next year in the 6N. We're gonna get smaaaashed !! :D
 
@Jbobo - Context my friend! You've largely missed my reference to the rankings thread (which I agree is stupid)
My point, badly expressed(sorry!) was that no matter how much ireland keep winning and putting in performances like this (after all they've barely had a bad game under Schmidt at all), you still get people denying them recognition and saying that they think Wales and France are better teams. I'm not saying that Ireland are miles ahead of the rest of us or anything, just that they need to be recognised as currently leading the pack

I didn't reference England because England weren't really entering the debate on the other thread - it's not my own comment on whether we're better (we're not, probably about equal right now)

Fair enough.
 
As a minor aside as much as I rate Heineke Meyer as a coach in terms of tactics, selections and player management, I don't think he has a strong read on when to make substitutions. In the Aussie game where we won, he made subs on mass and they definitely paid dividends but in the last two matches I've felt he's made subs too early, and just made too many in general. Changing 5 players more or less at once can destabilize a team somewhat.
 
Ireland's pack of eight was fantastic, and I'm not talking about the booze. It's such a shame that to go with all that quality they couldn't have a scrum that held well, Cian Healy was missed dearly…to think this was achieved against the big Springboks without SOB, Healy or Henry, however SA missed Alberts in particular, that's pretty enormous.

Not an overly exciting game by any stretch of the anus or imagination rather, for a neutral (or a Saffer :p ) but this goes down as one of the big November classics. Reminiscent, somewhat, of France South Africa 2009, in the notion particularly of an all-conquering Boks ultra physical team (were fresh off that Lions series victory) coming over and running into a wall in Europe.
Choking atmosphere, unbreathable smothering and all-tactical match where goal kicks mean everything.

It sounds silly to say this, but I guess "tactically", here it comes: "all you have to do" to beat the Boks is meet them up front. Beat em up, and they'll go down. Get the most physical selection you can find, seasoned men not fresh exciting bachelors, it seems to work, and drop your gameplan a bit (in Ireland's case it was always going to be breakdown oriented) and throw everything you've got at them in the rucks, target one or two of their backs to defend suffocatingly (like Habana was bad/shut down in both this one and the 2009 France one), put the biggest most committed forwards up front and make your 10 kick in the corners and behind the defense whenever possible, play territory=security. Take their mauls VERY seriously, defend with your life (their one try was too soft from Ireland's defense, too bad..). You won't score lots of tries, so make sure you have a Sexton kicking in the points to convert the efforts on the ground into 3's.

SUPERB first try on the maul for Ireland. How do you stop that ?? Watched every replay attentively, he just pops out like a raging cock out of the bush (on a farm, ya perv).

I don't think SA were bad, I think Ireland were better. SA played their game, they were just turned over, out-physicalled even if that's not a word, out hustled, just outbreakdowned. Yeah okay that last one is dubious…put under too much pressure to make anything interesting on attack.

And the BEST thing for Ireland is:
South Africa were back at 10-13 at the 60th, so being who they are typically they would up their level and take the lead minutes into that. Here, exactly the opposite. That's when Ireland continued their efforts and put the Boks to sleep for good. Very impressive...

Lastly, I don't want to make this a trend, criticizing Le Roux, but THAT ***** !!…no, kidding…but that guy's one thing on attack gets figured out pretty quick…he'll keep the ball, keep the ball and give it to someone right when they're about to make contact. He's got to vary, he looked like a one-trick poney the entire show…he can be a deceiving runner, but putting him in the same company as Folau just for the latter's raw quality is ridiculous, and Ben Smith for his utter skillfull brilliance is bunkers.
Seriously glad the Saffa staff were stubborn and foolish enough to let us take Spedding, although he's French now, having played 90% his pro ball in France since he was 21, they still could've poached him back just some months ago :p

P.S.: Romain Poite has got to stop saying "crutch" btw, surely he can manage to stop saying "crutch" at scrumtime...
 
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Lastly, I don't want to make this a trend, criticizing Le Roux, but THAT ***** !!…no, kidding…but that guy's one thing on attack gets figured out pretty quick…he'll keep the ball, keep the ball and give it to someone right when they're about to make contact. He's got to vary, he looked like a one-trick poney the entire show…he can be a deceiving runner, but putting him in the same company as Folau just for the latter's raw quality is ridiculous, and Ben Smith for his utter skillfull brilliance is bunkers.
Seriously glad the Saffa staff were stubborn and foolish enough to let us take Spedding, although he's French now, having played 90% his pro ball in France since he was 21, they still could've poached him back just some months ago :p
I completely agree with this, but having watched a lot of Willie play at all levels of rugby he does have a few extra arrows in his quiver particularly with clever chips over the top, during the game I remember thinking that with Ireland rushing our backline quite hard a few handy chips may have been what we needed to get over the line.
Unfortunately I think the AB's had this figured out and he may have been instructed by HM to specifically not do this, but I guess you have to read the situation.

He can also be quite an individual threat with ball in hand and he has the habit of sliding through gaps a bit like Ben Smith at times (although not as good obviously, calm down Darwin :p ).

In short I agree with you specifically for this game but I don't think we've seen the best of him quite yet. Only the most optimistic saffers were putting him up their with Ben Smith, as for Izzy they are completely different players.

Basically after Zane Kirchner we're all just super stoked to have someone with a bit of flair.
 
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@Jbobo - Context my friend! You've largely missed my reference to the rankings thread (which I agree is stupid)
My point, badly expressed(sorry!) was that no matter how much ireland keep winning and putting in performances like this (after all they've barely had a bad game under Schmidt at all), you still get people denying them recognition and saying that they think Wales and France are better teams. I'm not saying that Ireland are miles ahead of the rest of us or anything, just that they need to be recognised as currently leading the pack

I didn't reference England because England weren't really entering the debate on the other thread - it's not my own comment on whether we're better (we're not, probably about equal right now)

While I think Ireland are a better team than France, I'd still be more worried about playing France in a WC knockout match, as an All Blacks supporter. Unless Ireland can maintain these good performances until the World Cup (and not just sneak through the Six Nations with a win but comfortably batter the other competitors) then I will still only fear England, France, South Africa and Australia (and perhaps Argentina, depending on how they do in next year's RC). That being said, playing in England is a great way to even up the competition as it takes away the All Blacks' (and Australia's) biggest advantage, which is in their backs.
 
While I think Ireland are a better team than France, I'd still be more worried about playing France in a WC knockout match, as an All Blacks supporter. Unless Ireland can maintain these good performances until the World Cup (and not just sneak through the Six Nations with a win but comfortably batter the other competitors) then I will still only fear England, France, South Africa and Australia (and perhaps Argentina, depending on how they do in next year's RC). That being said, playing in England is a great way to even up the competition as it takes away the All Blacks' (and Australia's) biggest advantage, which is in their backs.

I for one am banking on everyone writing off Wales. If we show up like 2011, completely unexpected and don't get a red card in the semi final, we could win the bugger!
 
I for one am banking on everyone writing off Wales. If we show up like 2011, completely unexpected and don't get a red card in the semi final, we could win the bugger!

Honestly, I don't think anyone outside of Wales thinks that if Wales had beaten France they could have won the World Cup. France are a bit of a road block for NZ (mainly in World Cups), whereas Wales don't have that mental advantage. Given that Wales lost to Australia in the 3rd/4th playoff I think it would be hard to say that they could have defeated the All Blacks.
 
Honestly, I don't think anyone outside of Wales thinks that if Wales had beaten France they could have won the World Cup. France are a bit of a road block for NZ (mainly in World Cups), whereas Wales don't have that mental advantage. Given that Wales lost to Australia in the 3rd/4th playoff I think it would be hard to say that they could have defeated the All Blacks.

Nah i didn't mean we'd literally win it. I think we would have made it one hell of a spectacle though with the form we were on, i've never seen Wales play better before of since (since i've been alive). Regardless, i think it was the final that should have been, but was not meant to be. The loss of Warburton - Player of the tournament and our Captain really curtailed our chances of beating France (obv) and Australia (not that we would have, just to be clear)

I'm not saying we have an advantage against the All Blacks compared to France.

I am saying that if teams don't fear Wales and they run into some sudden form (like the Argentina's of this world) then we could do just that - An Argentina.

Maybe i should have put a smiley with a tongue sticking out? Yes, maybe i should.
 
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SA had the opportunities but just couldn't get the points on the board. Always worrie when we don't go for the 3. JdV has backed the line-out for a try in the past and it has payed off more than not but it just wasn't to be this weekend. SA won the set pieces and the territory game but Ireland managed to make that count for nada and took their own chances well. Marked our danger men well all 80 minutes and timed their disruption of our breakdown perfctly; enough to disrupt but not enough to really get Poite up. Targeted the space in behind with their kicking game and took their chances when they came. Just a very clinical game all round despite playing with a limited set piece.

Le Roux has been very error prone from the start, this game was just one of those where we paid more than what we got back from him. A lot of hate for Hougaard as well on the SA forums but that and to a certain extent Le Roux's nightmare as well as quiter games from the likes of Vermeulen, Habana etc are just 100% due to Irelands work. No need to hate the player, just appreciate the opposition got a good one over on us and the ball is now in HM and staff's court to adjust where necessary. I don't expect sweeping changes. We were in it to win all the way.. until we weren't anymore LOL, but ireland just had the focus and drive to keep the foot on the pedal and keep us well contained. Good job and I can't wait for a repeat of this fixture for our boys to get a chance to get one back.
 
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