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[2013 TRC] South Africa vs. Argentina in Soweto (17/08/2013)
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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 587552" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>All those players you mentioned retired over a period of 5 years. They lost a few after 2007 and 2008 and 2009 were the rebuilding years. There has been a settled team since then an underachievement for other reasons.</p><p></p><p>Also nobody has ever said it is as easy for Argentina to work within their system as opposed to more established nations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You've got your facts wrong as Argentina award caps for their annual fixtures with Uruguay, Chile etc. The sort of games that the average players you mentioned were involved in as they didn't have pro contracts for most of their careers.</p><p> </p><p>At no point in Nicolas Fernandez Miranda's career was he ever first choice. Manuel Contepomi never established himself in the team getting 30 odd caps over the period of a decade. Martin Durand was always the fringe back rower in the Pumas squad behind Ostiglia/Phelan/Martin/Lobbe. None of those players were ever established first choice players for the Pumas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, people also said <u>future</u>, a basic word you clearly have trouble to come to grasps with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How old were those players when Phelan took charge in 2008? Phelan had those players when they were 26 or 27.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 587552, member: 48703"] All those players you mentioned retired over a period of 5 years. They lost a few after 2007 and 2008 and 2009 were the rebuilding years. There has been a settled team since then an underachievement for other reasons. Also nobody has ever said it is as easy for Argentina to work within their system as opposed to more established nations. You've got your facts wrong as Argentina award caps for their annual fixtures with Uruguay, Chile etc. The sort of games that the average players you mentioned were involved in as they didn't have pro contracts for most of their careers. At no point in Nicolas Fernandez Miranda's career was he ever first choice. Manuel Contepomi never established himself in the team getting 30 odd caps over the period of a decade. Martin Durand was always the fringe back rower in the Pumas squad behind Ostiglia/Phelan/Martin/Lobbe. None of those players were ever established first choice players for the Pumas. Yeah, people also said [U]future[/U], a basic word you clearly have trouble to come to grasps with. How old were those players when Phelan took charge in 2008? Phelan had those players when they were 26 or 27. [/QUOTE]
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