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2011 Selection

Wally

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Put forward your likely teams for the next season.

Reds
1. Ben Daley 3 Test caps
2. Saia Faingaa 9 Test caps
3. James Slipper 8 Test caps
4. Van Humphries 46 QLD caps (plus 21 for NSW)
5. James Horwill (C) 24 Test caps
6. Scott Higginbotham 31 QLD caps
7. Jake Schatz 9 QLD caps
8. Leroy Houston 37 QLD caps
9. Will Genia 17 Test caps
10. Quade Cooper 18 Test caps
11. Rod Davies 13 QLD caps
12. Anthony Faingaa 3 Test caps
13. Will Chambers 12 QLD caps
14. Digby Ioane 11 Test caps
15. Peter Hynes 22 Test caps

16.
17. Greg Holmes 13 Test caps / Guy Shepherdson 18 Test caps
18. Rob Simmons 4 Test caps
19. Radike Samo 6 Test caps
20. Ben Lucas 27 QLD caps
21. Ben Tapuai 4 QLD caps
22. Luke Morahan 8 QLD caps

We're building an empire in Queensland.
 
Chiefs

1. Nathan White
2. Aled de Malmanche
3. Ben May
4. Kevin O'Niell
5. Craig Clarke
6. Liam Messam
7. Tanerau Latimer
8. Colin Bourke
9. Brendon Leonard
10. Stephen Donald
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. JacksonWillison
13. Richard Kahui (If not fit, Dwayne Sweeney or maybe even Savenaca Tokula if he continues his good ITM Cup form)
14. Lelia Masaga
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Hikawera Elliot
17. James McGougan
18. Romana Graham
19. Luke Braid
20. Junior Poluleuligaga
21. Mike Delany
22. Dwayne Sweeney/Tim Nanai-Williams
 
Hurricanes
1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jeremy Thrush
5. Jason Eaton
6. Victor Vito
7. Karl Lowe
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Peri Weepu
10. Aaron Cruden
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Julian Savea
15. Cory Jane

16. Dane Coles
17. Anthony Perenise
18. Bryn Evans
19. Tyson Keats
20. Lima Sopoaga? (Who else?)
21. Charlie Ngatai (Again, who else?)
22. Andre Taylor
 
The Mighty Highlanders

1. Jamie MacIntosh
2. Jason Rutledge
3. Chris King
4. Josh Bekhuis
5. Tom Donnelly
6. Nick Crosswell
7. Alando Soakai
8. Adam Thomson
9. Jimmy Cowan
10. Colin Slade
11. James Paterson
12. Ben Smith
13. Kenny Lynn
14. Ryan Shortland
15. Robbie Robinson

16. David Hall
17. Kees Meeuws (if he makes himself available. Otherwise Clint Newlands)
18. Jarred Hoeata
19. John Hardie
20. Aaron Smith
21. Shaun Treeby
22. Michael Hobbs (if recovered. Otherwise Tony Koonwaiyou/ Fetu'u Vainikolo / Chris Small - or preferably a draft wing!)

Not a great team - but certainly better than we've had for a few years!
 
Stormers for 2011 - Victory shall be ours!

1 CJ van der Linde
2 Tiaan Liebenberg
3 Brok Harris
4 Adriaan Fondse
5 Andries Bekker
6 Schalk Burger (c)
7 Francois Louw
8 Duane Vermeulen

9 Dewald Duvenhage
10 Peter Grant
11 Brian Habana
12 Juan de Jongh
13 Jacque Fourie
14 Gio Aplon
15 Conrad Jantjes

16 Wikus Blaauw
17 Deon Fourie
18 Anton van Zyl
19 Pieter Louw / Nick Koster
20 Ricky Januarie (damn those stealing Sharks! - Conrad Hoffman)
21 Lionel Cronje
22 Jean de Villiers

That will probably be the top XXII barring injury and without taking any possible further transfers into account; losing Hoffman is a huge blow because both Januarie and de Waal are past it. They are bringing in U21 flyhalf Gary van Aswegen for the Currie cup game this weekend so it will be interesting to see how he goes if he gets some time off of the bench.

Our lack in depth up front has been somewhat bulstered by the signing of CJ van der Linde although I don't really rate him. Othre than that we need another scrumhalf and a winger or two; maybe JJ Engelbrecht as the Nick Koster experiment seems to have been canceled with him moving back to no.8 where he showed a lot of promise.
 
Chiefs

1. Nathan White
2. Aled de Malmanche
3. Ben May
4. Heydon Triggs
5. Craig Clarke
6. Liam Messam
7. Tanerau Latimer
8. Colin Bourke
9. Brendon Leonard
10. Mike Delaney
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. Stephen Donald
13. Richard Kahui (If not fit, Dwayne Sweeney or maybe even Savenaca Tokula if he continues his good ITM Cup form)
14. Lelia Masaga
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Hikawera Elliot
17. James McGougan
18. Callum Rettalick/ One of the Northland locks
19. Scott Waldrom
20. Tawera Kerr-Barlow/Taniela Moa
21. Jackson Willison
22. Dwayne Sweeney/Tim Nanai-Williams

Kevin Oneil has signed with the Rebels, and Triggs has taken his place. I would also be very suprised if Delaney and Donald didn't both start together seeing how well the combined in the brief time they werent injured last year. Also, Junior Polu is with the Exeter Chiefs now. Ive heard rumours that Hika Elliot is on the move too, possibly back to the Hurricanes or even down to the Crusaders.

Hurricanes
1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. James Broadhurst
5. Jason Eaton/ Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Karl Lowe
8. Faifili Levavae
9. Piri Weepu
10. Aaron Cruden
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Julian Savea
15. Cory Jane

16. Dane Coles-this guy seriously sucks
17. Micheal Bent
18. Bryn Evans
19. Tyson Keats
20. Lima Sopoaga? (Who else?) -Beauden Barrett is who else!
21. Charlie Ngatai (Again, who else?)
22. Andre Taylor

Hurricanes look decidedly average, the pack is horrible.
 
Orange Freestate Cheetahs (**** Vodacom)

I'll leave the other SA franchises for their fans but in the absence of Freestate bloggers on this site I'll give it my best shot:

1 Coenie Oosthuizen (not sure if Wian du Preez will be back from Ireland)
2 Adriaan Strauss
3 WP Nel
4 Nico Breedt
5 Waltie Vermeulen
6 Heinrich Brussouw
7 Juan Smith (c)
8 Ashley Johnson / Frans Viljoen

9 Sarel Pretorius (Griquas)
10 Naas Olivier (Griquas)
11 Jongi Nokwe (assuming Mapoe moving to the Sharks after October this year)
12 Mathew Rosslee (Griquas) (Losing Meyer Bosman to the Sharks when he started to find form.. poor Cheetahs)
13 Robert Ebersohn
14 Bjorn Basson (Griquas)
15 Hennie Daniller

16 Jacobie Adriaanse (Griquas)
17 Skiper Badenhorst / Rayno Barnes (Griquas)
18 Dawid de Villiers / Cecil Kemp (Griquas)
19 Frans Viljoen / Ashley Johnson / Wesley Wilkins (Griquas)
20 Tewis de Bruyn
21 Louis Strydom / Sias Ebersohn
22 Sias Ebersohn / Riaan Viljoen

Anyway, I think these are the likely players in the likely positions. If I had it my way (Well, I would have tried buying Frans Steyn from Racing to wear the no.12 jersey but) this would be my backline:

9) Pretorius, 10) Viljoen, 11) Nokwe, 12) Daniller, 13) R Ebersohn, 14) Basson, 15) S Ebersohn, 20) Snyman, 21) Olivier / Johan Goosen , 22) Kabamba Floors / Rosslee / William Small-Smith

Quality pack of forwards with some depth, though.
 
Kevin Oneil has signed with the Rebels, and Triggs has taken his place. I would also be very suprised if Delaney and Donald didn't both start together seeing how well the combined in the brief time they werent injured last year. Also, Junior Polu is with the Exeter Chiefs now. Ive heard rumours that Hika Elliot is on the move too, possibly back to the Hurricanes or even down to the Crusaders.

Hurricanes look decidedly average, the pack is horrible.

You really think they'll leave out So'oialo from the 22? I forgot to put Levavae on the bench but I did mean to. Beauden Barrett, I completely forgot about him. I don't think Broadhurst will be chosen over Thrush or Eaton though.
 
You really think they'll leave out So'oialo from the 22? I forgot to put Levavae on the bench but I did mean to. Beauden Barrett, I completely forgot about him. I don't think Broadhurst will be chosen over Thrush or Eaton though.

I just don't think So'oialo has any gas left in the tank to be honest.. You can almost put money on the fact that he probably wont be injury free for the entirety of the competition, but when he is healthy i would imagine he would start the first few games and then drift on to the bench. I didn't realise that you had 4 back reserves listed either, i would imagine that Andre Taylor would drop out of the 22 and be replaced by Rodney in that lineup.
Realistically i can't see Barrett, Sopoagaga or Cripps given the backup 10 spot seen as they are all under 20 eligible. That rules them out of the NZ sevens squad and im pretty sure the Hurricanes would need to get special exemption from the NZRU to pick them. They will probably pick up Hobbs if he recovers ever, failing that they will either go for Kirkpatrick or get someone like Burleigh in the draft. Any way you look at it, its not good.
And while i dont want Broadhurst to get the spot as i don't rate the guy at all, i can't see him being overlooked. They put alot of effort into luring him up here and he was the top dog last year. Eaton hasn't proven his fitness yet either. Added to that the new coach is a cantab so a little provincial bias might be going on in the decision aswell!

All things considered this isn't exactly the year to put your money on the 'Canes. The front row is horrible, (Hore was good before his injury but still can't throw straight), the locking options are pathetic when compared to the Saffas, and the Loose forward balance doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either..
Weepu has to be given the 9 jersey all year, they can't afford to **** around with Keats, Weepu is a confidence player and doesn't benefit from only getting gametime every second week.. Cruden has to step up straight away too, if they are going to win anything its going to be done in the backs so he has to hit his straps early. Nonu and Conrad are the best combination in the competition so thats great, but i'm a bit uneasy about having Gear and Savea on at the same time, its seems like putting all your eggs in one basket with an overly strong power running game..the Hurricanes really got a lot of value out of having the more versatile Tamati Ellison on one wing. Hopefully i'm just worrying about nothing though!
 
I thought id have a stab at the Blues seen as i don't know who else here would..

1)Charlie Faumauina
2)Kevin Mealamu
3)John Afoa
4)Ali Williams/Pat O'Connor
5)Anthony Boric
6)Jerome Kaino
7)Daniel Braid
8)Peter Saiili
9)Alby Mathewson
10)Stephen Brett (if he comes back, if not then its up in the air. Micheal Harris or Lachie Munro would be near the top of the list. Although Luke McAllister may see that his best shot at making the allblacks is at first five)
11)Joe Rokococo
12)Benson Stanly/Luke McAllister
13)Rene Ranger
14)Pakalani/David Smith
15)Jared Payne

16)Ben Afeaki
17)Ash Dixon
18)Pat O'Connor/Mark Burman
19)Dean Budd
20)Chris Smylie
21)Probably Luke McAllister
22)Brent Ward

There are still a host of variables but i think that the Blues may be a bit of a dark horse if the coaches get their **** together
 
The Mighty Highlanders

1. Jamie MacIntosh
2. Jason Rutledge
3. Chris King
4. Josh Bekhuis
5. Tom Donnelly
6. Nick Crosswell
7. Alando Soakai
8. Adam Thomson
9. Jimmy Cowan
10. Colin Slade
11. James Paterson
12. Ben Smith
13. Kenny Lynn
14. Ryan Shortland
15. Robbie Robinson

16. David Hall
17. Kees Meeuws (if he makes himself available. Otherwise Clint Newlands)
18. Jarred Hoeata
19. John Hardie
20. Aaron Smith
21. Shaun Treeby
22. Michael Hobbs (if recovered. Otherwise Tony Koonwaiyou/ Fetu'u Vainikolo / Chris Small - or preferably a draft wing!)

Not a great team - but certainly better than we've had for a few years!

Looks like a good team. they will preform better then last year
 
Chiefs

1. Nathan White
2. Aled de Malmanche
3. Ben May
4. Kevin O'Niell
5. Craig Clarke
6. Liam Messam
7. Tanerau Latimer
8. Colin Bourke
9. Brendon Leonard
10. Stephen Donald
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. JacksonWillison
13. Richard Kahui (If not fit, Dwayne Sweeney or maybe even Savenaca Tokula if he continues his good ITM Cup form)
14. Lelia Masaga
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Hikawera Elliot
17. James McGougan
18. Romana Graham
19. Luke Braid
20. Junior Poluleuligaga
21. Mike Delany
22. Dwayne Sweeney/Tim Nanai-Williams

Seems like a decent squad, hope they can realize the expectations this season
 
I thought id have a stab at the Blues seen as i don't know who else here would..

1)Tony Woodcock
2)Kevin Mealamu
3)John Afoa
4)Ali Williams
5)Anthony Boric
6)Jerome Kaino
7)Daniel Braid
8)Peter Saiili
9)Alby Mathewson
10)Stephen Brett (if he comes back, if not then its up in the air. Micheal Harris or Lachie Munro would be near the top of the list. Although Luke McAllister may see that his best shot at making the allblacks is at first five)
11)Joe Rokococo
12)Benson Stanley/Luke McAllister
13)Jared Payne
14)Rene Ranger
15)Isia Toeava

16)Charlie Faumauina
17)Ash Dixon
18)Pat O'Connor/Mark Burman / Kurtis Haiu
19)Dean Budd/ Chris Lowrey
20)Chris Smylie
21)Luke McAllister
22)Winston Stanley

There are still a host of variables but i think that the Blues may be a bit of a dark horse if the coaches get their **** together

Pretty close to what I would have thought will be their top team - my possible changes in bold. I'm assuming you forgot about Woodcock and Toeava. I would really like to see Payne given a full season at 13 as I think that's his best position - this would also allow Ranger to play on the wing and Toeava at fullback, which I believe are their best positions. At this stage, however, its hard to know in what positions the coaches are planing to play the likes of Payne, Toeava, and Ranger. I agree, if Brett does not come back I imagine MacAlister will play at first-five, but I do imagine Michael Harris will make the squad this year.
 
To complete the NZ sides I will try the likely Crusaders team:
Crusaders

1. Ben Franks
2. Corey Flynn
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Sam Whitelock
6. George Whitelock
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read
9. Andy Ellis
10. Dan Carter
11. Zac Guildford
12. Sonny Bill-Williams
13. Robbie Fruean
14. Sean Maitland
15. Israel Dagg

16. Quentin MacDonald (if fit, otherwise Steve Fualau / draft hooker)
17. Wyatt Crockett
18. Chris Jack
19. Nasi Manu
20. Khan Fotuali'i
21. Tyler Blyendaal / draft first-five (Matt Berquist???)
22. Adam Whitelock/ Kade Poki / Ryan Crotty

Very strong team - the only obvious weakness is the back first-five is Carter is injured/rested. Blyendaal has been signed by the Crusaders, however he has yet to play any NPC rugby, as he is stuck behind Brett and Slade at Canterbury. Instead he has been playing for Canterbury B, but also has been training with the main Canterbury squad. He's incredibly talented, but it can take players a while to adjust to the level of Super rugby (especially if you haven't even played NPC rugby!) - I imagine he be introduced gradually with a few games off the bench. There's a few rumors that the Crusaders a looking a signing Matt Berquist as well. He would be a good signing in my opinion - he's not the most dynamic player, but generally does the basics right - that is all you really need to do with the Canterbury pack in front of you, and the likes of SBW, Fruean, Guildford, Maitland, and Dagg outside you.
 
Pretty close to what I would have thought will be their top team - my possible changes in bold. I'm assuming you forgot about Woodcock and Toeava. I would really like to see Payne given a full season at 13 as I think that's his best position - this would also allow Ranger to play on the wing and Toeava at fullback, which I believe are their best positions. At this stage, however, its hard to know in what positions the coaches are planing to play the likes of Payne, Toeava, and Ranger. I agree, if Brett does not come back I imagine MacAlister will play at first-five, but I do imagine Michael Harris will make the squad this year.

Yeah i was up doing some late night last minute essays and my brain wasn't working too well.. I imagine Woodcock and Toeava would be nearing contention!
The backline really is hard to figure out though.
I actually think that in a top side Paynes best position is at fullback, in a side like Northland though he just needs as many touches of the ball as possible, the more he touches it the better he looks.
Rene Ranger also is a much better centre than a winger, he is the only one who can rival SBW in his ability to offload which is more valuable in the midfield.
Then there is Toeava who i actually think is better at second 5 but with Stanley and McAllister there already its probably best for him at 15..
It really is a dielemma.. its in situations like this where i wish teams could trade players in the Super 15..

To complete the NZ sides I will try the likely Crusaders team:
Crusaders

1. Ben Franks
2. Corey Flynn
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Sam Whitelock
6. George Whitelock
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read
9. Andy Ellis
10. Dan Carter
11. Zac Guildford
12. Sonny Bill-Williams
13. Robbie Fruean
14. Sean Maitland
15. Israel Dagg

16. Quentin MacDonald (if fit, otherwise Steve Fualau / draft hooker)
17. Wyatt Crockett
18. Chris Jack
19. Nasi Manu
20. Khan Fotuali'i
21. Tyler Blyendaal / draft first-five (Matt Berquist???)
22. Adam Whitelock/ Kade Poki / Ryan Crotty

Very strong team - the only obvious weakness is the back first-five is Carter is injured/rested. Blyendaal has been signed by the Crusaders, however he has yet to play any NPC rugby, as he is stuck behind Brett and Slade at Canterbury. Instead he has been playing for Canterbury B, but also has been training with the main Canterbury squad. He's incredibly talented, but it can take players a while to adjust to the level of Super rugby (especially if you haven't even played NPC rugby!) - I imagine he be introduced gradually with a few games off the bench. There's a few rumors that the Crusaders a looking a signing Matt Berquist as well. He would be a good signing in my opinion - he's not the most dynamic player, but generally does the basics right - that is all you really need to do with the Canterbury pack in front of you, and the likes of SBW, Fruean, Guildford, Maitland, and Dagg outside you.

The Marshall brothers at Tasman have been looking pretty sharp, i would be quite ****** off if i were them and Bleyendaal jumped the cue into the 22 without playing ITM first. Bleyendaal will most likely sit on the fringes and learn for now. I think hooker may be another weakness for these guys though, Corey Flynn is great at this level when his playing, but when was the last time he went a full season without hurting himself? If he gets injured then Macdonald could hold his own but Fualau doesn't really fill me with confidence.
Another possible option for the reserve looseforward spot would be Tasmans Glen Gregory. I have been really impressed with the sheer magnitude of the work he gets through, he plays like a young Ruben Thorne. You can say what you want about Thornes game at international level but there is no denying that his input was vital to the Crusaders ***le winning teams.
 
I just don't think So'oialo has any gas left in the tank to be honest.. You can almost put money on the fact that he probably wont be injury free for the entirety of the competition, but when he is healthy i would imagine he would start the first few games and then drift on to the bench. I didn't realise that you had 4 back reserves listed either, i would imagine that Andre Taylor would drop out of the 22 and be replaced by Rodney in that lineup.
Realistically i can't see Barrett, Sopoagaga or Cripps given the backup 10 spot seen as they are all under 20 eligible. That rules them out of the NZ sevens squad and im pretty sure the Hurricanes would need to get special exemption from the NZRU to pick them. They will probably pick up Hobbs if he recovers ever, failing that they will either go for Kirkpatrick or get someone like Burleigh in the draft. Any way you look at it, its not good.
And while i dont want Broadhurst to get the spot as i don't rate the guy at all, i can't see him being overlooked. They put alot of effort into luring him up here and he was the top dog last year. Eaton hasn't proven his fitness yet either. Added to that the new coach is a cantab so a little provincial bias might be going on in the decision aswell!

All things considered this isn't exactly the year to put your money on the 'Canes. The front row is horrible, (Hore was good before his injury but still can't throw straight), the locking options are pathetic when compared to the Saffas, and the Loose forward balance doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either..
Weepu has to be given the 9 jersey all year, they can't afford to **** around with Keats, Weepu is a confidence player and doesn't benefit from only getting gametime every second week.. Cruden has to step up straight away too, if they are going to win anything its going to be done in the backs so he has to hit his straps early. Nonu and Conrad are the best combination in the competition so thats great, but i'm a bit uneasy about having Gear and Savea on at the same time, its seems like putting all your eggs in one basket with an overly strong power running game..the Hurricanes really got a lot of value out of having the more versatile Tamati Ellison on one wing. Hopefully i'm just worrying about nothing though!

I'm slightly more opptimistic. With the All Blacks being given less game time this S15, I'd expect So'oialo to be in the side as captain if nothing else. Hosea Gear and Julian Savea remind me of a Jonah Lomu/Joeli Vidiri combo, in which power and pace really did work well, though that being said the game has changed. Either way I like our backline better than last year.

Schwalger is decidedly average, Hore I think was the best Hooker in NZ not so long ago and Neemia Tialata is the bane of my life, but a solid scrummager I guess (even if he likes to do a little shuffle with the ball, and then make contact, which he loses all momentum and causes a turnover). Eaton back from injury will be pushing for an EOYT spot, so I can't see the Hammet leaving him out, while Thrush has had a good NPC so far (maybe slightly inconsistant though).

Victor Vito will be the blindside, which I think he needs another big Super 15 season if he want to make the AB squad. Karl Lowe has looked pretty impressive, though I'd rather have had Scott Waldrom. So'oialo, as I've mentioned will probably get game time as captain when players are being rested, though Faifili Levavae may push for the starting spot mid to late end of the season.

Weepu must start. As you mentioned there is no point faffing around with Keats, as it will just hurt Weepu's game. Cruden must step up, and I don't think his last game convinced he could marshall a backline very well. Nonu and Smith are the best centre combo, but if AB's are being rested, it makes me worry who will be their backup's, as there really are no quality back up's from 10-13.

Players I'd like to see in the wider training squad-

Tomasi Cama (Looked quality at 10, but is obviously extremely versatile. I think I'm the only person who rates him in the 15 man game.
Kurt Baker (Looks good for Taranaki. I prefer him over Andre Taylor).

That's pretty much it...The Canes have had all their good backup's pinched over the last few seasons, and I think we're ganna start feelling that soon. We've lost Robert Fruen, Zac Guildford, Sean Treeby, Scott Waldrom etc. i think it's about time we start drawing and securing more players from Hawkesbay, as a lot of our local talent is getting pinched.
 
That's pretty much it...The Canes have had all their good backup's pinched over the last few seasons, and I think we're ganna start feelling that soon. We've lost Robert Fruen, Zac Guildford, Sean Treeby, Scott Waldrom etc. i think it's about time we start drawing and securing more players from Hawkesbay, as a lot of our local talent is getting pinched.

Any truth to the rumour the Crusaders medical personnel had to remove all those splinters from Fruean's butt that he got from sitting on the Canes bench ... :D

... Is that the same Scott Waldrom that made his Super debut, playing for the Crusaders in 2004 against the Hurricanes :p

Just joking ... I guess when you've got so many good players and so many ITM teams in your catchment area, you're bound to lose a few players :D
 
The Marshall brothers at Tasman have been looking pretty sharp, i would be quite ****** off if i were them and Bleyendaal jumped the cue into the 22 without playing ITM first. Bleyendaal will most likely sit on the fringes and learn for now. I think hooker may be another weakness for these guys though, Corey Flynn is great at this level when his playing, but when was the last time he went a full season without hurting himself? If he gets injured then Macdonald could hold his own but Fualau doesn't really fill me with confidence.
Another possible option for the reserve looseforward spot would be Tasmans Glen Gregory. I have been really impressed with the sheer magnitude of the work he gets through, he plays like a young Ruben Thorne. You can say what you want about Thornes game at international level but there is no denying that his input was vital to the Crusaders ***le winning teams.

I'm hoping Bleyendaal will get some gametime later in the NPC - this is particularly likely if Slade goes away on the end of year tour (which starts before the end of the NPC). Apparently they considered playing him on the bench over the last few weeks with Slade away, but decided a full game for the B side was more beneficial for him than getting a few minutes off the bench backing up Brett. I agree, both the Marshall's have played well, however if Canterbury can get hold of an experienced player like Berquist they will likely pick him James Marshall, as they won't want two rookie first-fives in their squad. I think Tom Marshall has a genuine chance of making the squad, as he's very talented and can play a number of positions.

If Quentin MacDonald can recover well from his injury I'd consider him a good backup for Flynn - the choices after him within the Crusaders region are limited (I don't rate Fualau either). They will likely look to draft in a hooker, however with the franchises all having 3 hookers within their squads this year their choices will be more limited. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to target Tim Dow, as he's a solid experienced hooker whose playing well, and is probably only the forth choice hooker in the Blues region.
 
Chiefs

1. Nathan White
2. Aled de Malmanche
3. Ben May
4. Kevin O'Niell
5. Craig Clarke
6. Liam Messam
7. Tanerau Latimer
8. Colin Bourke
9. Brendon Leonard
10. Stephen Donald
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. JacksonWillison
13. Richard Kahui (If not fit, Dwayne Sweeney or maybe even Savenaca Tokula if he continues his good ITM Cup form)
14. Lelia Masaga
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Hikawera Elliot
17. James McGougan
18. Romana Graham
19. Luke Braid
20. Junior Poluleuligaga
21. Mike Delany
22. Dwayne Sweeney/Tim Nanai-Williams

That team is a fair bit off.

1.Sona Taumalolo (I think he is still contracted to the Chiefs?)
2.Aled de Malmanche
3.Ben Afeaki
4.Craig Clarke
5.Hayden Triggs (O'Neill has gone to the Melbourne Rebels)
6.Liam Messam
7.Tanerau Latimer
8.Colin Bourke
9.Brendon Leonard
10.Mike Delaney
11.Sitiveni Sivivatu
12.Stephen Donald (It was working well last year when both were fit)
13.Richard Kahui
14.Lelia Masaga
15.Mils Muliaina

16.Hika Elliot
17.Nathan White (James McGougan has been pretty average in the ITM Cup, May seems to be behind Smith, White is decent)
18.Callum Retallick
19.Scott Waldrom (Luke Braid went to the Blues - Chiefs have signed Waldrom)
20.Taniela Moa (Most likely is available for the Chiefs. If not then Kerr-Barlow. Poluleuligaga is overseas)
21.Jackson Willison
22.Tim Nanai-Williams

"And while i dont want Broadhurst to get the spot as i don't rate the guy at all, i can't see him being overlooked. They put alot of effort into luring him up here and he was the top dog last year."

Rubbish. I've looked through my rugby magazines and quickly found 10 with Hurricanes in them. James Broadhurst was on the bench for one of those games I found. He didn't start any. The coaches preferred a bench with Nick Crosswell and Scott Waldrom for most of the season.

"Realistically i can't see Barrett, Sopoagaga or Cripps given the backup 10 spot seen as they are all under 20 eligible. That rules them out of the NZ sevens squad and im pretty sure the Hurricanes would need to get special exemption from the NZRU to pick them."

Also, Hayden Cripps isn't U20 elligible. He was born in 1990.

Hayden Cripps

I don't think there should be too much problem with Barrett and Sapoaga being selected for the 'Canes. The U20 tournament won't be very long. It is only June 5th - 21st. I imagine if Sapoaga and Barrett were selected they wouldn't be getting much game time, it would mainly be introducing them to the environment.
 
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I'm slightly more opptimistic. With the All Blacks being given less game time this S15, I'd expect So'oialo to be in the side as captain if nothing else. Hosea Gear and Julian Savea remind me of a Jonah Lomu/Joeli Vidiri combo, in which power and pace really did work well, though that being said the game has changed. Either way I like our backline better than last year.

Schwalger is decidedly average, Hore I think was the best Hooker in NZ not so long ago and Neemia Tialata is the bane of my life, but a solid scrummager I guess (even if he likes to do a little shuffle with the ball, and then make contact, which he loses all momentum and causes a turnover). Eaton back from injury will be pushing for an EOYT spot, so I can't see the Hammet leaving him out, while Thrush has had a good NPC so far (maybe slightly inconsistant though).

Victor Vito will be the blindside, which I think he needs another big Super 15 season if he want to make the AB squad. Karl Lowe has looked pretty impressive, though I'd rather have had Scott Waldrom. So'oialo, as I've mentioned will probably get game time as captain when players are being rested, though Faifili Levavae may push for the starting spot mid to late end of the season.

Weepu must start. As you mentioned there is no point faffing around with Keats, as it will just hurt Weepu's game. Cruden must step up, and I don't think his last game convinced he could marshall a backline very well. Nonu and Smith are the best centre combo, but if AB's are being rested, it makes me worry who will be their backup's, as there really are no quality back up's from 10-13.

Players I'd like to see in the wider training squad-

Tomasi Cama (Looked quality at 10, but is obviously extremely versatile. I think I'm the only person who rates him in the 15 man game.
Kurt Baker (Looks good for Taranaki. I prefer him over Andre Taylor).'

That's pretty much it...The Canes have had all their good backup's pinched over the last few seasons, and I think we're ganna start feelling that soon. We've lost Robert Fruen, Zac Guildford, Sean Treeby, Scott Waldrom etc. i think it's about time we start drawing and securing more players from Hawkesbay, as a lot of our local talent is getting pinched.

It will definitely be interesting to see how the Savea/Gear combo goes together, it's a lottery really.. its probably one of those tactics that will be magic against some teams and hopeless against others, trial and error i guess. I do think they will miss Tamati Ellison though, i really rated that guy and a few times last season he was the best player on the field.

As for the front row, Hore was definitely NZs best hooker, but he is a very average lineout thrower which could really hurt the hurricanes. I think the locking stakes are very even with Eaton, Thrush, Broadhurst, Evans and maybe even Ross Kennedy again, but none of those possible combination's are good enough to match up with the SA teams. Im not sure about So'oialo for captain aye.. he has experience but you really want your captain to command a place in the team and preferably be injury free. You don't want to have to bench your captain because he isn't performing and you dont want to have to switch captains often because hes injury prone..

Im really not a fan of Cama at 15s either.. when i was living in Palmerston North last year i saw alot of the Manawatu B games and he was absolutely horrible in some of those. Hes like a worse version of Tasesa Lavea, flashy but can't control a game at all and his tricks dont always come off. His kicking isn't too sharp either, which is a concern given that Cruden can't kick very long aswell. Its a bit of a moot point really though as i can't see either Baker or Cama giving up sevens to be in the wider training squad..

The guys i would like to see in the wider squad would be;
Gillies Kaka (Guy is ruthlessly talented, could be out with the sevens team though)
Leighton Price (Has been a very handy lock off the bench for Hawkesbay, especially at lineout time. Hes only 21 so still has plenty of room to grow)
Jayden Hayward (Probably wont be picked up by the Highlanders again but is still good enough to make wider squad)
Alapati Leiua (Probably the best utility back in the region)
Aaron Smith (If he doesn't go to the Highlanders, i rate him above Keats)
Micheal Bent (Old school no nonsense Taranaki farmer prop. They need more of that and less prima dona divas like Tialata and Shwalger..)
Any hooker from anywhere that isn't Dane Coles

I'm hoping Bleyendaal will get some gametime later in the NPC - this is particularly likely if Slade goes away on the end of year tour (which starts before the end of the NPC). Apparently they considered playing him on the bench over the last few weeks with Slade away, but decided a full game for the B side was more beneficial for him than getting a few minutes off the bench backing up Brett. I agree, both the Marshall's have played well, however if Canterbury can get hold of an experienced player like Berquist they will likely pick him James Marshall, as they won't want two rookie first-fives in their squad. I think Tom Marshall has a genuine chance of making the squad, as he's very talented and can play a number of positions.

If Quentin MacDonald can recover well from his injury I'd consider him a good backup for Flynn - the choices after him within the Crusaders region are limited (I don't rate Fualau either). They will likely look to draft in a hooker, however with the franchises all having 3 hookers within their squads this year their choices will be more limited. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to target Tim Dow, as he's a solid experienced hooker whose playing well, and is probably only the forth choice hooker in the Blues region.

It will be interesting to see how Bleyendaal goes.. He looks like the type of guy that will adjust sooner than later though, he has an amazing work ethic, some mates of mine from Christchuch boys said that he was very close to dux in his seventh form. Which is a phenominal effort given he was trying to pursue a rugby career at the same time.
Not sure on Tim Dow though, i havnt seen much of him this year but in previous years he hasn't impressed me in the tight. I read somewhere that he plays his club rugby at centre?.. when does David Hall get back from injury? he would be the best bet. Then perhaps Lawrence Corlett considering he was Crusaders development anyway years ago..

That team is a fair bit off.

1.Sona Taumalolo (I think he is still contracted to the Chiefs?)
2.Aled de Malmanche
3.Nathan White (Has been playing well at tighthead)
4.Craig Clarke
5.Hayden Triggs (O'Neill has gone to the Melbourne Rebels)
6.Liam Messam
7.Tanerau Latimer
8.Colin Bourke
9.Brendon Leonard
10.Mike Delaney
11.Sitiveni Sivivatu
12.Stephen Donald (It was working well last year when both were fit)
13.Richard Kahui
14.Lelia Masaga
15.Mils Muliaina

16.Hika Elliot
17.Toby Smith (James McGougan has been pretty average in the ITM Cup. May seems to be behind Smith
18.Callum Retallick
19.Scott Waldrom (Luke Braid went to the Blues - Chiefs have signed Waldrom)
20.Taniela Moa (Most likely is available for the Chiefs. If not then Kerr-Barlow. Poluleuligaga is overseas)
21.Jackson Willison
22.Tim Nanai-Williams

"And while i dont want Broadhurst to get the spot as i don't rate the guy at all, i can't see him being overlooked. They put alot of effort into luring him up here and he was the top dog last year."

Rubbish. I've looked through my rugby magazines and quickly found 10 with Hurricanes in them. James Broadhurst was on the bench for one of those games I found. He didn't start any. The coaches preferred a bench with Nick Crosswell and Scott Waldrom for most of the season.

"Realistically i can't see Barrett, Sopoagaga or Cripps given the backup 10 spot seen as they are all under 20 eligible. That rules them out of the NZ sevens squad and im pretty sure the Hurricanes would need to get special exemption from the NZRU to pick them."

Also, Hayden Cripps isn't U20 elligible. He was born in 1990.

Hayden Cripps

I don't think there should be too much problem with Barrett and Sapoaga being selected for the 'Canes. The U20 tournament won't be very long. It is only June 5th - 21st. I imagine if Sapoaga and Barrett were selected they wouldn't be getting much game time, it would mainly be introducing them to the environment.

I must have gotten confused with Patterson, but still i see Broadhurst logging alot of time next season regardless.

As for Cripps, that comes as a surprise because he was in the same year group as Barrett and Sopoagaga.. oh well.
I think there actually is a problem with them getting selected,as in the NZRU probably wouldn't allow it. The duration of the tournament is totally irrelevant. I know for a fact that no NZ under 20 training squad members are allowed to make the NZ sevens team, this is how a 17 year old Beauden Barrett was able to make the team when guys like Gillies Kaka, Julian Savea and Charlie Ngatai couldn't. The NZRU have made a rule saying they aren't allowed, and the sevens circuit is miles less taxing than Super rugby so i can't see them allowing it. When was the last time an under 20 eligible player played super rugby?
 
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