14 year old deadlift

[Jaguares]

4 - Be smart, get a trainer/lifter to help you come up with a proper training program. You will see amazing gains if you have a really good program to follow, don't just willy-nilly it.

Hope this helps.

The thing is that he's a 14 years old boy, so he can't work and probably he doesnt have any penny to pay a personal trainer

 

[ratsapprentice]

If you go to a powerlifting gym they'll probably allow you access to the gym and training for free.

 

[Which Tyler]

My wife's a qualified personal trainer. She's dead set against boys under 18 using heavy weights(something about growth plates blah blah). That means they can use weights around 20-30 kg's and do more reps. Any coach or parent that allows more should be shot and all that......

As someone whos job is putting people back together again - your missus is dead right - for a certain variation on the word "heavy".

Personally, I would keep U18s to maxing out at their own body weight, and concentrating on form and reps (most especially form - get it right, and get it right for a good 2-3 YEARS before going to heavy weights); but I don't like phrasing it as an absolute. Partly because everyone is different, and partly because if you give someone absolute advice and they don't want to take it; they'll often choose not to take ANY of your advice; which is even more dangerous. I tend to give the advice, and explain why; then treat the patient like a grown-arse adult (even if they're not) who's allowed to make their own decisions, but just needs to be given the right information to make that decision.
If the individual has decided that he needs to lift more than his body weight; then the advice already given is good - make sure the instructor knows what they're talking about; so go to a specialist (and Graeme Dawe, whilst being a god to me, isn't one; he was a damned fine amateur rugby player, and very good professional rugby player who was very fit. That does not a professional specialist power-lifter make - although he may have done additional training to do this, he equally may not).

 

[ratsapprentice]

I agree with that for the most part.

The obvious exception for me, would be people who want to pursue powerlifting (or any other type of strength sport) seriously - whether professionally or not.
If they are pursuing it as an end in itself, then as long as they are genuinely aware of the damage it is possible to do to themselves, then it's up to them IMO.

 

[Which Tyler]

Absolutely - which is what I meant by "treat the patient like a grown-arse adult (even if they're not) who's allowed to make their own decisions, but just needs to be given the right information to make that decision"

We all do stuff that we "shouldn't"; I'd bet that every single one of us on these boards played rugby when we shouldn't have done - whether playing through an injury, or continuing too long before retiring, or playing when we had to attend a wedding the next day (ahem - please note, the best man having a bruised half-face, one functional eye, and being barely able to walk may not go down too well with the bride) etc. My worry is about people deciding to do stuff without knowing the damage they might be doing; beyond that, if you enjoy something then it's worth a price; it's my job to tell you what the price is (may be); not to tell you whether it's worth it or not.

Equally, I think scrum caps should come with a health warning "this product will NOT protect you from concussion, but it may increase your risk of concussive injury" - as opposed to being outright banned - education, not enforcement (though I'd support a ban on scrum caps in U16 rugby).

 

[ratsapprentice]

100%

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

We all do stuff that we "shouldn't"; I'd bet that every single one of us on these boards played rugby when we shouldn't have done - whether playing through an injury, or continuing too long before retiring etc. My worry is about people deciding to do stuff without knowing the damage they might be doing; beyond that, if you enjoy something then it's worth a price; it's my job to tell you what the price is (may be); not to tell you whether it's worth it or not.

Guilty and guilty, but I was an adult and they were my decisions as were the consequences. I'm generally fairly liberal but whether we (or they) like it there are duty of care issues with kids and free weights can be bloody dangerous. A secondary issue is the litigious society - any gym or club where a kid came to harm using heavy weights would be sweating like hell on the visit from the lawyers little Johnny's parents just appointed....

 

[Adakins]

The thing is that he's a 14 years old boy, so he can't work and probably he doesnt have any penny to pay a personal trainer

Maybe so, but even if he goes and talks to one. Most strength trainers I know would rather give out advice to a kid rather than let him do the form wrong.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Absolutely - which is what I meant by "treat the patient like a grown-arse adult (even if they're not) who's allowed to make their own decisions, but just needs to be given the right information to make that decision"

We all do stuff that we "shouldn't"; I'd bet that every single one of us on these boards played rugby when we shouldn't have done - whether playing through an injury, or continuing too long before retiring, or playing when we had to attend a wedding the next day (ahem - please note, the best man having a bruised half-face, one functional eye, and being barely able to walk may not go down too well with the bride) etc. My worry is about people deciding to do stuff without knowing the damage they might be doing; beyond that, if you enjoy something then it's worth a price; it's my job to tell you what the price is (may be); not to tell you whether it's worth it or not.

Equally, I think scrum caps should come with a health warning "this product will NOT protect you from concussion, but it may increase your risk of concussive injury" - as opposed to being outright banned - education, not enforcement (though I'd support a ban on scrum caps in U16 rugby).

I used to wear a scrum cap because my ears tore. You shouldn't stop kids wearing them full stop.

 

[Which Tyler]

I used to wear a scrum cap because my ears tore. You shouldn't stop kids wearing them full stop.

Not really the thread for this, but A] that'd be easy to get a Dr.s certificate for; B] did the old fashioned technique of bandages / ZnO tape not work? C] if it came down to it (old fashioned techniques not working, Dr.s certificates being rejected (seems extreme), then I'd come down on the side of a few torn ears than a few extra concussions.

 

[youngforward]

Thanks guys,

Been lifting in general for a month and deadlifting for less than a week, not sure if that still means it's bad or not

I'll try to find a powerlifting gym but I doubt there's one near enough to me

Thanks again

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Thanks guys,

Been lifting in general for a month and deadlifting for less than a week, not sure if that still means it's bad or not

I'll try to find a powerlifting gym but I doubt there's one near enough to me

Thanks again

I'd recommend that until you get some proper coaching of how to deadlift you stick to squats when working legs. You're much less likely to damage your back with squats (obviously there is still a risk, do be careful). Good luck

 

[sixesauldman]

Dont want to sound patronizing but your body is still develpoing, dont wreck it before your at full size, one rep maxes are only for ego, look into German volume and avoid DLs untill you get some 3rd party expertise.

 

[GoTheNaki]

You're too young. End of story. At least 2 years too young. Just as an example, the strength coach I know for First XV doesn't get them involved in weights till 16...

I also know someone that was taking advice from someone at a young age, and it almost ruined his rugby career. Let alone his life.