A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

Israel approves 19 new settlements in occupied West Bank

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said the move was about blocking the establishment of a Palestinian state.

www.bbc.co.uk

All illegal under international law of course

Not that im pro settler, but Saudi criticism of this is hilarious, with the fact that they refuse to sign the UNHCR mandste, and has an active slave trade lol

 

[dirty harry]

Police watchdog may investigate West Midlands Police over Maccabi fan ban

The IOPC says it can exercise its investigatory power if warranted, after its director said she was willing to launch a probe.

www.bbc.co.uk

So apparently the Maccabi fans werr banned from travelling due to away fan violence of their games, which it seems has been proven false.

Who knows what the hell is going on, but it has been mentioned that the large islamic, and anti isreal population in Birmingham wouldnt stand to allow jews to enter the stadium?

Is that a right wing conspiracy?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

BBC News - University threatened with legal action after protest at academic's talk

University threatened with legal action after protest at event

Prof Alice Sullivan says her talk at the University of Bristol became like a "zombie apocalypse" during the protest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Complains her right to free speech were infringed because others exercised their right to free speech to heckle and protest. The free speech lot seem to think their right to free speech means they can speak and everyone else must listen. They never seem to accept it works both ways.

 

[Saintjay]

BBC News - University threatened with legal action after protest at academic's talk

University threatened with legal action after protest at event

Prof Alice Sullivan says her talk at the University of Bristol became like a "zombie apocalypse" during the protest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Complains her right to free speech were infringed because others exercised their right to free speech to heckle and protest. The free speech lot seem to think their right to free speech means they can speak and everyone else must listen. They never seem to accept it works both ways.

They didn't want her to speak so they shouted at her. She doesn't want them to speak so she gets upset at them.

Around and around we go.

 

[ncurd]

They didn't want her to speak so they shouted at her. She doesn't want them to speak so she gets upset at them.

Around and around we go.

Universities must expect political protest if speakers are engaged that their student base disagree with. This has been true for decades.

Bristol is pretty left/liberal as it is this was a foolish engagement the University it appears tried to back out of.

 

[Which Tyler]

But only one is trying to use the law courts to suppress the speech of the other.


As ever, Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences (including legal, if your exercise of speech was illegal)
Freedom of speech =/= compulsion of platform
Freedom of speech =/= insistence on being listened to / heard


However much this, and the previous few governments object - the right to protest is still fundamental, and protected (if ever less so)

 

[dirty harry]

Christ, listen to you Brown shirts...

 

[dirty harry]

Quick question, is this freedom of expression?

 

[ncurd]

Quick question, is this freedom of expression?

Yes

Nobody said freedom of expression doesn't make you a complete arse.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

As night follows day...

 

[Welsh Exile]

Quick question, is this freedom of expression?

What else would it be? An act of terrorism?

 

[ncurd]

 

[Which Tyler]

Christ, listen to you Brown shirts...

I thought you were supposed to be our resident free speech absolutist?
Then why are you attacking free speech, and posters who are defending free speech?
And how the hell do get from that to brownshirts?

 

[Which Tyler]

Streeting rejects calls to stop puberty blocker trial

The health secretary tells MPs he is "uncomfortable" about the use of the drugs but he was following expert advice.

www.bbc.co.uk

Employment Rights Bill - Acas

The Employment Rights Bill has become law. This means important legislation changes between 2025 and 2027. Keep up to date with the changes.

www.acas.org.uk

Following on from these two examples of the current government actually doing the right thing...
There's a 3rd right thing

Hen cages and pig farrowing crates to be outlawed in England

Humane slaughter requirements for farmed fish and end to puppy farming also in new package of animal welfare laws

www.theguardian.com

 

[Saintjay]

Universities must expect political protest if speakers are engaged that their student base disagree with. This has been true for decades.

Bristol is pretty left/liberal as it is this was a foolish engagement the University it appears tried to back out of.

Was it political or they just didn't like her views and are policing who can and can't speak at there university.
My understanding was they were not simply protesting but trying to stop her speak. Neither party have covered themselves in glory.

University is also a place for robust and open debate. Where you can hear views and options you disagree with as the article points out.

It's why I like the debates with Tommy Robinson, Peterson and Kirk had at the Oxbridge Unions. Sensible discussion on thought provoking topics.

 

[Welsh Exile]

And I would add, there is a cancer amongst society at the moment, especially rife amongst the left, of not willing to engage with people with different views. As @Saintjay said, university is the EXACT place where you should have the freedom to explore these things

 

[ncurd]

Was it political or they just didn't like her views and are policing who can and can't speak at there university.
My understanding was they were not simply protesting but trying to stop her speak. Neither party have covered themselves in glory.

University is also a place for robust and open debate. Where you can hear views and options you disagree with as the article points out.

It's why I like the debates with Tommy Robinson, Peterson and Kirk had at the Oxbridge Unions. Sensible discussion on thought provoking topics.

Isn't the purpose of a protest to stop something from happening?

Not liking someone's views? Sounds pretty political to me.

I don't think anyone should be platforming Robinson

 

[Which Tyler]

1. My understanding was they were not simply protesting but trying to stop her speak. Neither party have covered themselves in glory.

2. University is also a place for robust and open debate. Where you can hear views and options you disagree with as the article points out.

1. Unless someone was there, I don't think we know. But if that was their intention, then they failed, because she did speak.

2. Absolutely this

It's why I like the debates with Tommy Robinson, Peterson and Kirk had at the Oxbridge Unions. Sensible discussion on thought provoking topics.

I don't know who Peterson is, but I've not seen Yaxley-Lennon or Kirk having a sensible discussion - just bad faith and logically fallacious ones.
Which doesn't mean that they haven't happened, just that I haven't seen any.

 

[Which Tyler]

Isn't the purpose of a protest to stop something from happening?

Depends on the protest.

Shouting out a speaker isn't stopping them speaking, it's stopping them being heard (there's a huge difference here, though it's one I expect that Mr Nuance himself can't see).
There's also protest to express disagreement / dissatisfaction, rather than prevention (eg the anti-Brexit marches), and protests who's longer term aim may be the prevention, but no expectation that the individual protest itself is going to make a huge difference (eg anti-war protests, climate change, or simple strikes)

 

[ncurd]

And I would add, there is a cancer amongst society at the moment, especially rife amongst the left, of not willing to engage with people with different views. As @Saintjay said, university is the EXACT place where you should have the freedom to explore these things

You know what is insane? Is the Overton window has skewed massively to the right in the past decade and anyone suggesting the left are shutting down "views".

You know the kind of views I don't want to listen to? My mother-in-law yesterday in my house saying "its all these men coming over and so many of them are committing sexual assault"