A Political Thread pt. 2

[Ragey Erasmus]

Google search no?

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I doubt the point being raised was regarding the definitions of the words and more about who exactly is deemed "strong" and "weak". Many of these gobby podcasters think of themselves as strong alpha men yet the reality is many are feeble brats with inflated egos. They take "strong" to mean bullies rather than meaning having resilience, integrity, decisiveness etc.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Google search no?

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Moral philosophy out the window with one google search.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Of course it is, let’s not be bigots!

Sound advice.

The thing is you’re joking but how many people do you think that really love that quote take it literally to mean just men and women are irrelevant? My guess would be somewhere around half.

 

[Vaquer]

I doubt the point being raised was regarding the definitions of the words and more about who exactly is deemed "strong" and "weak". Many of these gobby podcasters think of themselves as strong alpha men yet the reality is many are feeble brats with inflated egos. They take "strong" to mean bullies rather than meaning having resilience, integrity, decisiveness etc.

Said men their podcast often has a studio made to look like a mix of bar, barbershop & backshed to aid their wouldbe manly image. Lots of wood (dead trees not penises).

 

[Yulia]

I doubt the point being raised was regarding the definitions of the words and more about who exactly is deemed "strong" and "weak". Many of these gobby podcasters think of themselves as strong alpha men yet the reality is many are feeble brats with inflated egos. They take "strong" to mean bullies rather than meaning having resilience, integrity, decisiveness etc.

I understood I was trolling Welsh Exile a little bit cause he's going back to this post of Dirty Harry all the time

 

[dirty harry]

Sound advice.

The thing is you’re joking but how many people do you think that really love that quote take it literally to mean just men and women are irrelevant? My guess would be somewhere around half.

Tbh i think it would be higher than half if we are talking about right wingers who throw the quote around. It seems pretty universal, and i havnt come across many who would counter it as nonsense.

Which is why i likened you to them, they took it as very literal, and are likely using it as a political tool to attract the neutral.

I maybe am too generous in interpretation, as i dont know the full context of from where it came, but in modern meaning there is no argument that societys rise and fall, countries progress and regress, populations and culture affect societies etc...

I think they like it because it speaks to a masculinity within society, that has become a dirty word, and is used in most cases as a negative term, and its hated by those who oppose them.

The issue is, they refuse to listen to criticism, and you guys refuse to give it legitimacy, and we are stuck in this us vs them unempathetic loop over and over.

 

[dirty harry]

Said men their podcast often has a studio made to look like a mix of bar, barbershop & backshed to aid their wouldbe manly image. Lots of wood (dead trees not penises).

Aaaaand we are back to Rogan is a pussy hahahaha

Your obsessed!

 

[Welsh Exile]

Tbh i think it would be higher than half if we are talking about right wingers who throw the quote around. It seems pretty universal, and i havnt come across many who would counter it as nonsense.

Which is why i likened you to them, they took it as very literal, and are likely using it as a political tool to attract the neutral.

I maybe am too generous in interpretation, as i dont know the full context of from where it came, but in modern meaning there is no argument that societys rise and fall, countries progress and regress, populations and culture affect societies etc...

I think they like it because it speaks to a masculinity within society, that has become a dirty word, and is used in most cases as a negative term, and its hated by those who oppose them.

The issue is, they refuse to listen to criticism, and you guys refuse to give it legitimacy, and we are stuck in this us vs them unempathetic loop over and over.

I didn’t take it that way, the opposite in fact. I was looking to have a nuanced discussion about what constitutes strength and weakness and how you define good times and bad times. That is the opposite of taking it literally. It’s seeking further clarification. Clarification I never really got but it’s ok, it’s a stupid quote.

 

[dirty harry]

Google search no?

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Holy ****...

9% battery! Using your phone when plugged in! Alarm set! Bluetooth on! Step counting! Unread message!

My brain couldnt take all that, i have to clear my screen on every tap, i dont even like wifi and time being viewable hahahahah

 

[Welsh Exile]

I maybe am too generous in interpretation, as i dont know the full context of from where it came, but in modern meaning there is no argument that societys rise and fall, countries progress and regress, populations and culture affect societies etc...

And what does that have to do with the quote. I mean what you just said is so incredibly obvious and meaningless. Yes, empires rise and fall. Incredible.

 

[Welsh Exile]

“Empires rise and fall. Sometimes things are good. Sometimes they are bad. Things happen in history and stuff”

Welsh Exile.

 

[dirty harry]

It’s a load of rubbish.

Hardly the start of a nuanced conversation.

Inwas hoping for some tones, context, specific criticism or reasoning, and maybe exploring why the right are using it more and more.

Im glad i didnt bring up Yuri Bezmenovs ideas on how to bring down the west hahaha

Or the 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'

 

[Welsh Exile]

Hardly the start of a nuanced conversation.

Inwas hoping for some tones, context, specific criticism or reasoning, and maybe exploring why the right are using it more and more.

Im glad i didnt bring up Yuri Bezmenovs ideas on how to bring down the west hahaha

Well in order to do that, as the poster of the incredibly vague and BS quote, it is up to you to define what is meant by strong, weak, easy and hard. This is pretty important wouldn’t you agree?

 

[dirty harry]

Strength is pretty universal no? Resilience, ingenuity, empathy, courage, discipline, collaberation etc...

Weakness - complacency, cowardess, lack of integrity, impulsiveness etc...

I thought this was a pretty decent explenation...

 

[Welsh Exile]

I thought this was a pretty decent explenation...

Strength is certainly not universal. I wonder how many right wingers, for example, would have empathy and ingenuity in there. Also very interesting that these traits are found lacking in men during easy times. Mmmmmm. Very strange.

 

[dirty harry]

Strength is certainly not universal. I wonder how many right wingers, for example, would have empathy and ingenuity in there. Also very interesting that these traits are found lacking in men during easy times. Mmmmmm. Very strange.

Well as with all quotes you interpret them as you see fit, those are mine, and many standards of strength. I think all right wingers would view Empathy and Ingenuity in their list, i think their line for empathy would be drawn in a different place than perhaps yours.

look at the topic of immigration for example, you see them as unempathetic to those trying to come to the UK, they would see the alternative view as unempathetic to British citizens, and those who are already established here. Both claim to be empathetic, both claim the other side isnt, or at least thats how i view both arguments from speaking to either side of that specific issue.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well as with all quotes you interpret them as you see fit, those are mine, and many standards of strength. I think all right wingers would view Empathy and Ingenuity in their list, i think their line for empathy would be drawn in a different place than perhaps yours.

look at the topic of immigration for example, you see them as unempathetic to those trying to come to the UK, they would see the alternative view as unempathetic to British citizens, and those who are already established here. Both claim to be empathetic, both claim the other side isnt, or at least thats how i view both arguments from speaking to either side of that specific issue.

Then we’d have to try and agree on what empathy actually means. Defining terms is essential in any discussion around moral philosophy.

Even though for hard and easy times would fall more into the realm of sociology it would still be useful to, you know, understand what you mean by hard times.

But this is it isn’t it, these kind of easy to fit, explain all quotes that sum up incredibly huge and complex things just, as you say, are interpreted in many different ways because they’re not actually really saying anything.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Collaboration is another good one by the way. Not sure that would be on a lot of right wingers lists of strength. The opposite in fact.

 

[dirty harry]

Then we’d have to try and agree on what empathy actually means. Defining terms is essential in any discussion around moral philosophy.

Even though for hard and easy times would fall more into the realm of sociology it would still be useful to, you know, understand what you mean by hard times.

But this is it isn’t it, these kind of easy to fit, explain all quotes that sum up incredibly huge and complex things just, as you say, are interpreted in many different ways because they’re not actually really saying anything.

I mean, strict definitions on every term used is more a pre requisite to a debate rather than a conversation IMHO, and well debates arent particularly intersting to me.

But happy to define Empathy as a willingness to understand someones thoughts emotions and actions. We could dive into the detail of types, or levels but it wont help this conversation.

Hard and easy times is really the crux of this, peoples perception of current society differs.

As i asked previously, if you were to engage into a thought experiment, and rate december 2025 society into a spectrum of hard to good times, where would you rate it?

As i said previously, most righr wingers ive spoken to believe they are the strong men who have created the easy times, and the weak men in theirs, but also the next generation are part of the problem for being weak. My counter was that the 90s and 2000s were probably the easiest times in human history, massive expansion, consumerism exploded, technology emerged... and the cinema alone was the best hahaha.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean, strict definitions on every term used is more a pre requisite to a debate rather than a conversation IMHO, and well debates arent particularly intersting to me.

But happy to define Empathy as a willingness to understand someones thoughts emotions and actions. We could dive into the detail of types, or levels but it wont help this conversation.

Hard and easy times is really the crux of this, peoples perception of current society differs.

As i asked previously, if you were to engage into a thought experiment, and rate december 2025 society into a spectrum of hard to good times, where would you rate it?

As i said previously, most righr wingers ive spoken to believe they are the strong men who have created the easy times, and the weak men in theirs, but also the next generation are part of the problem for being weak. My counter was that the 90s and 2000s were probably the easiest times in human history, massive expansion, consumerism exploded, technology emerged... and the cinema alone was the best hahaha.

I honestly don’t know. I mean, what am I comparing it against? Just the 20th/21st century or am I looking at the Bronze Age and earlier? Am I talking about personal experience or the experience of people generally? Am I looking at just the UK or the whole world?

I take it you mean hard times to be economic struggles?